38: It Takes Courage to be Catholic - Ever Be x SEEK
Join Mari Wagner as she guest hosts on the Focus Seek podcast, sharing her impactful faith journey and how it led her to live a Christ-centered life. Mari talks about her experience with FOCUS internships, the transformative power of community, and her first SEEK conference. She emphasizes living counterculturally and courageously, inspired by the life of St. Joan of Arc. Mari encourages listeners to say 'yes' to Jesus, embrace new beginnings, and find strength in their faith journey. Whether you’re attending SEEK 2025 or not, Mari's insights will inspire you to follow Christ deeply and intentionally.
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Hey, I'm your host, Mari Wagner,
and you're listening to the ever be
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:podcast where faith meets lifestyle.
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:I'm so excited you're here, whether you're
a new listener or a longtime follower,
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:I know there's something here for you.
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:Pull up a chair and listen in for
insightful real life conversations
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:and actionable steps on how to claim
the full life God created you for.
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:If you're a woman desiring to live
a Christ centered life in today's
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:modern world, then this is for you.
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:Welcome to Ever Be.
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:mari-wagner_5_11-25-2024_171733:
Hey, everybody.
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:Hi, friends.
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:It's Mari Wagner here.
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:I am thrilled to be your guest host
today on this Focus Seek podcast.
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:This is a fun little
collab with Everbe podcast.
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:Um, if you're not sure who I
am, well, Nice to meet you.
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:I'll give you a little
bit of an introduction.
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:I am a young wife.
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:I am the host of the ever be podcast,
, which is a faith and lifestyle podcast.
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:I am a Catholic content
creator on Instagram.
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:You can find me at, at mari.
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:c.
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:wagner.
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:I've been doing that for
like the past six years.
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:Um, what else?
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:I'm also the founder of the
popular Catholic lifestyle
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:brand, West Coast Catholic.
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:Um, co founder actually, I
started it with my husband, Trey.
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:So shout out to the hubs there.
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:Um, could not be doing it without you.
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:anything without him.
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:Um, so I wear a lot of
hats, but it's super fun.
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:And basically, in everything that I do,
the whole reason why I do everything is
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:to help people live Christ centered lives.
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:That's it.
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:That's my mission in life.
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:That's my goal, , to help people live
Christ centered lives, and I do this
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:because I grew up feeling pretty alone
in my faith, and even though I grew up
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:Catholic, I didn't really know what it
meant to live out your Catholic faith,
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:uh, or to really, like, follow Jesus.
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:Follow Jesus, um, besides going
to mass on Sundays, that's
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:all I really knew growing up.
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:Um, and it wasn't really until I did
a college summer internship actually
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:with focus back in 2018, where.
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:This all really changed for me and I
began to be introduced to this like
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:whole new perspective of what it
meant to follow Jesus so much more
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:than just going to mass once a week.
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:Um, and that summer was completely
transformational for me because for the
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:first time ever I met other women my age
and men, of course, there's both men and
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:women that were on this internship, I grew
in friendship with other women my age who
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:were actively seeking Christ and actively
trying to live a Christ centered life.
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:And honestly, you guys, if I'm being
completely honest, when I started the
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:summer out at the, as an intern, this,
uh, in this internship, I remember
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:like, Hearing, you know, these other,
like, college students talk about,
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:like, how they prayed every day or how
they lived virtue or how they didn't,
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:you know, sleep with their boyfriend
or go get drunk on the weekend or
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:whatever, like, all these things you
commonly find on a college campus.
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:I remember them talking about, like, just
the ways they were just trying to, like,
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:actively pursue Christ in their life.
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:And I remember thinking, like, yeah.
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:They gotta, like, kind of be,
like, stretching this, like, just
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:to, like, get the internship.
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:Like, maybe they said this all in the
interview because they're trying to
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:get a job at the Catholic organization,
but I'm going to figure it out,
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:you know, like, let's be real here.
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:There's no way college students out
here are, like, actually practicing
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:sobriety and chastity and excellence,
and Prayer and faith and like all
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:these different things and I kind of
remember like chatting with Some of the
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:women interns at the beginning and just
being like no seriously You can tell
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:me like I'm not gonna tell anybody like
seriously Like is this actually like
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:the way you live on a day to day basis?
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:Like actually do you not
do these other things?
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:Like actually are you are you actually
like making time to pray every day?
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:and are you actually going to daily mass,
you know during the week and Do you go
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:to adoration and all these other things?
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:Are you in a Bible study?
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:And, and the answer was yes.
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:Like these, these women, you
know, bless their hearts.
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:They were so patient with me and
I was very fresh in my reversion.
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:Um, and they were just so gentle
with me and they're like, yeah,
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:Mari, like I'm actively like trying
to live a Christ centered life as
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:a young 20 something in college.
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:And.
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:It's the best and life has never been,
you know, so fulfilling or whatever,
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:like so joyful, like, like they didn't
regret it, like they had no complaints
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:about the way they were living and
really encountering these women was
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:what began to, transform me from the
inside out and seeing their courage and
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:how they lived a Christ centered life.
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:Began to give me the courage
to change my life as well.
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:Um, and these women are so sweet.
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:I love them dearly to this day.
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:And, um, they basically
discipled me all summer.
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:They taught me how to pray.
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:They encouraged me to
live a life of virtue.
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:They taught me just different truths
about the Catholic faith that I.
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:Didn't know.
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:I mean, there's so much richness,
so much beauty, so much to
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:learn in our Catholic faith.
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:Um, and I just didn't
know a lot, you guys.
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:Um, like I said, I, I grew up
on the West coast in Washington.
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:It's not a very like religious state.
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:Um, and so I felt lonely in
my faith a lot of the time.
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:And so being in community
with other young Catholics.
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:Was what I needed to kind of light a fire
within me and then give me the courage
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:to live it out And I think that's part
of the reason why seek was one of those
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:super pivotal moments in my life Where
I felt a deeper call to follow Christ
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:because So this whole reversion started
happening my sophomore year of college
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:summer after sophomore year was when I
did this internship and I met these, you
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:know, this community of young Catholics
that were also interning with me at
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:focus that completely, like, encouraged
me to transform my life and then.
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:Went back to college, um, actually
studied abroad the semester after
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:that internship, which was amazing.
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:Not because I was in Europe,
but because actually I think
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:the Lord is so intentional.
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:I went abroad without any of my friends.
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:I didn't really have a lot of like
People that I knew in my study abroad
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:program, and it gave me the opportunity
to kind of start a new, to kind of just
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:like start this new life that I was
living over the summer of prayer and
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:virtue and, um, seeking the Lord in a
much more intentional way in my life.
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:I think that I would have
gone to college like back onto
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:campus right after that summer.
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:It might have been really hard to do
so because I would have just gone back
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:to my normal ways and I think the Lord
intentionally gave me, uh, like four
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:months, uh, right after this internship
away from my normal day to day on campus
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:to just give me a whole new fresh start
and an opportunity to live into this day.
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:Not even new Mari, but
this like more Mari, right?
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:Like more of myself, more of the
daughter God created me to be, um,
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:on this, uh, Yeah, the semester that
I was abroad because I didn't have
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:people around me that already really
knew me and expected me to be a
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:certain way or to act a certain way.
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:It was just a whole new, fresh start.
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:Um, and then, uh, after that
semester, right, you've got Christmas
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:break and then it's January,
which means it's Sikh season.
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:And this was my very first
Sikh, um, that I went to.
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:So just let me just take you back.
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:Okay.
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:Let me take you back to my
very first Sikh experience.
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:Back in 2019, was a junior in college
at the time and I was still very
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:new to this amazing Catholic world.
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:Like I'm, you know, I'm sharing.
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:Um, and I really had just started diving
into my faith, um, as my own really began
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:practicing all these, you know, good
habits as a Catholic and putting my,
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:Christ at the center of my life and really
just learning what it meant to live for
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:Christ as an adult, what it meant to be
Catholic and to have my life reflect that.
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:And so I was going into this conference
like pretty jazzed to have another
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:experience where I could be encouraged in
my faith kind of like that summer before.
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:But I also was kind of unsure of
what to expect because I'd never been
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:to like a big conference like this.
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:And I'll never forget.
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:That first day, like walking into the
convention center, seeing all the people
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:and then like checking in just kind
of nervously, like what is going on?
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:There's so many people.
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:I don't know what to expect.
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:And then walking into the arena and just
seeing like literally tens of thousands
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:of people, mostly all college students
like me at the time for the same reason.
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:They were all there for the same reason,
to be set on fire for their faith
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:and to follow Christ more closely.
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:It was amazing.
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:I mean, it was truly one of the
most pivotal moments in my life.
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:And it gave me a renewed sense of
courage to follow Christ in a deeper way.
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:Because going to seek made me realize
that I wasn't alone in my walk of faith,
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:specifically in the Catholic faith
too, um, because I had other Christian
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:friends, um, even though they weren't
super practicing, like I feel like
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:it was more normal to hear about it.
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:You know, people being non denominational
in some way, but I didn't have a lot of
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:like boldly Catholic people in my life.
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:And to know that Sikh was Catholic and
that there were tens of thousands of
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:people there who were there to be set on
fire, who were there to be encouraged in
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:a radical counter cultural way of living.
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:And to just, you know, Like, be
with Jesus, to worship Jesus,
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:to follow Jesus was amazing.
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:I mean, it was truly, I look
back on it and it was one of the
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:most inspiring times of my life.
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:And I mean, since then I've been to seek
every year, actually, I think there was
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:one year I missed it, but I was in the
Holy land, so it was a pretty good excuse.
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:But other than that, I've
been to seek every year.
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:I think I've been like five or six times.
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:Um, but.
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:Nothing compares to that very first Seek.
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:I mean, every Seek, you guys, I kid you
not, is so hype, and I'm recording this
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:right now in November, and I'm so giddy
for Seek to come around this January.
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:Um, I think after you go your
first couple times and you know
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:what to expect, it's just awesome.
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:Um, because.
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:It's kind of like a
little reunion of heaven.
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:It's like you start to see people in
the Catholic world that you've known
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:from different groups or maybe different
retreats or organizations or whatever.
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:Um, and it's just like this
big communion of heaven.
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:And even if you don't know a lot of
people, it kind of feels that way.
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:It kind of feels like you're just like
stepping into heaven and just like, you're
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:just surrounded by the body of Christ.
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:You're just surrounded by
people trying to be saints.
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:Like what other environment can
Gives you that, uh, like culture
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:that feel, you know, um, but
nothing compares to that verse seek.
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:Like you're just like a sponge, just
like soaking it all up and so giddy.
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:And I mean, I remember in every talk
I had my journal and pen and I would
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:furiously take notes at every single
talk to try and soak up all the
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:goodness and hang on to every single
word that Father Mike Schmitt said.
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:And all the other speakers, of
course, they were all amazing.
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:Um, and I remember I felt like I left
that first seat feeling like I wasn't
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:following Jesus alone and that was
everything to me at the time, like
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:to feel that I wasn't alone in this
fight, in this battle, in this walk to.
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:Give my life to Christ Was so encouraging
and maybe it felt like I was alone
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:sometimes even after seek, you know,
maybe you encounter hardship or Obstacles
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:in the journey, but I knew deep inside
like I now knew of this entire generation
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:of young catholics that were also
Fighting to make jesus the center of
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:their lives and fighting to live the
truth counterculturally and live out
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:Christian values of sobriety, chastity,
excellence, you know, virtue, prayer,
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:piety, like being Catholic is brave.
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:You guys living counterculturally in this
way is brave in today's modern world.
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:Being Catholic is brave.
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:It takes courage, like being boldly
Catholic and outwardly standing up
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:for your faith and actually living
out Jesus's teachings is brave, which
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:is why I freaking love that this
year the patron saint of Sikh is St.
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:Joan of Arc.
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:I couldn't think of a more fitting
example of somebody who courageously
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:answered Christ's call to follow
Him regardless of what came her way.
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:If you don't know a lot about this
incredible saint, I will gladly fill
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:you in because it's pretty amazing
what the Lord did in her life.
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:Um, and just her story, honestly,
just, yeah, just who she is.
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:So basically St.
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:Joan of Arc, um, at the age
of 13, she began experiencing
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:mystical visions, pretty crazy.
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:And hearing the voices of
none other than Archangel, St.
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:Catherine of Alexandria and St.
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:Margaret.
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:Pretty casual.
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:Um, they told her that God
had chosen her to save France.
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:So she's like this French teenage
girl and God's literally like,
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:You're going to save your country.
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:And basically like the mission was, um,
to support Charles the seventh as the
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:rightful King during that time period.
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:Um, and I just like, I mean, I read her
story and it literally sounds fake to me.
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:I think that like, I often think of St.
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:Joan of Arc as this like amazing
Saint, but I don't think of her
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:being like a real human being in
the way that I think of like St.
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:Therese, you know, St.
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:Therese, just like.
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:She's so sweet.
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:She talks about all her, um,
littleness and ways that she
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:needs Christ and everything.
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:And I think both Saints are incredibly
amazing examples for us in different ways.
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:But I hear of St.
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:Joan of Arc's story,
and I'm like, for reals?
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:Like, was this girl real?
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:Right?
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:Like, at the age of 17, St.
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:Joan of Arc led her troops to
several victories for France.
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:And eventually led to the crowning
of This King, Charles VII, which
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:fulfilled her divine, inspired
mission that God gave her.
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:And it's just insane to think of a
teenage girl doing this, like at 17.
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:I was not doing stuff like this, okay?
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:I bet you weren't either.
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:In battle, actually, she carried a banner
that had the names of Jesus and Mary.
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:On it.
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:Okay.
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:I mean, home girl was full sending
it with such faith that it gave
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:others courage to do the same
thing and they freaking won, right?
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:They like won the victory.
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:And what is, what's, you know,
the most, um, impactful part of
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:her story is not just that, right?
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:Even though she got the victories
in war, sadly, her story
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:didn't end in glory on earth.
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:Um, she was captured and
put on trial for heresy.
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:And then, um, unfortunately
was, uh, burned at the stake.
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:So she was a martyr at just 19
years old, which is a pretty
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:harsh, um, yet holy end there.
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:Um, but as she faced her death and
was burned at the stake, um, her final
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:request was to see a cross raised high.
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:So she literally wanted to see Jesus
on the crucifix through the flames.
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:While she was being burned alive in her
famous quote is raise high the cross.
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:So I may see it through the flames.
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:Like, are you kidding me?
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:Raise high the cross.
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:So I may see it through the flames.
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:Like, I'm sorry, but
like even Jesus, right.
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:Uh, in the agony of the garden was like,
God, why did, why is this the plan?
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:Like even on the cross,
God, why has you forsaken?
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:Why have you forsaken me?
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:And.
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:St.
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:Joan of Arc was given the grace and
the courage to be in her cross, right?
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:And say, Let me see Jesus through
the flame so that I can die
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:with courage and with faith.
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:Saint Joan of Arc's
story is extraordinary.
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:It's extraordinary.
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:But, um, I just love that her courage
can inspire us in big ways, but we
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:can also take this courage to inspire
us just in our everyday lives.
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:I'm all about, right, Christ in our living
is all about bringing the faith into every
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:part of our life and just these different.
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:Things that we can learn about the saints,
these different ways that we can model
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:our lives after them can be implemented
in small ways in our everyday life.
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:Because the reality is most of us won't be
called to lead an army or die as martyrs,
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:um, but we will face moments where we're
called to stand up for our faith, right?
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:We will face moments where God is
calling us to follow him more deeply
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:and maybe to stand out in front of.
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:You know, the crowd.
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:So maybe it's speaking truth in a
difficult conversation with your friends.
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:Maybe it's choosing to live
counterculturally on your campus.
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:Maybe it's simply sharing your faith
with somebody who needs it, who has
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:never heard the gospel, inviting someone
to mass, maybe being brave and telling
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:your friends where you're actually
going on a Tuesday night to Bible study.
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:Uh, maybe it's choosing to, uh,
Stop getting drunk or stop sleeping
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:with your boyfriend or girlfriend.
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:Uh, maybe standing up and being pro life
is what the Lord's calling you to do.
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:There are just so many opportunities we
have to courageously live our faith in
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:today's world, because being Catholic
in today's world is not the status quo.
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:But we can learn a lot from St.
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:Joan of Arc.
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:Um, she teaches us that courage
isn't about being fearless, right?
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:Because, Living this way, like
living boldly Catholic in today's
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:world, especially on a college
campus or maybe in the workplace,
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:uh, can be really intimidating.
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:And so it's not necessarily
about like having no fear.
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:St.
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:Joan of Arc teaches us that courage is
about trusting God enough to follow Him.
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:Even when we're afraid, right?
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:Trusting that after all, we're
not just following a religion for
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:the sake of following a religion.
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:We're following a person.
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:We are following Jesus Christ and his,
in his wisdom, you guys in his like
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:fatherhood and in just this gift, right?
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:And wanting to gift us with goodness.
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:He gave us the church to
be able to do so well.
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:He gave us the church to
be able to follow him.
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:Well, And we are proud of that.
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:We are proud to be Catholic.
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:We are proud of our religion.
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:And that's why I feel like this
year's theme of SEEK, Follow
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:Me, resonates so deeply with St.
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:Joan of Arc's story.
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:Because she said yes to God to follow
him in whatever he called her to
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:do, not knowing where it would lead.
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:But ultimately just trusting that he had
a plan, ultimately just trusting in who
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:he is and saying yes, because he is God.
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:So just take that as your encouragement
to say yes to God in whatever he's calling
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:you to in your life right now, right?
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:Even if that starts with a little
yes to follow Christ, those little
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:yeses add up and turn into big yeses
because the more we give the Lord
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:our hearts, our lives, our choices.
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:are everything, the more he's going
to invite us, uh, to follow him more
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:deeply, which usually means like taking
a little bit of a bigger step next to it.
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:It'll require a little bit of
a bigger yes in some ways, but
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:it'll start small first, right?
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:Like, don't be afraid to start small.
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:It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
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:Like God might just be asking you to take
maybe a next step in your faith life.
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:Maybe it's going to adoration.
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:Like for the first time, or maybe it's
like going to adoration once a month
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:or once a week, if you can, maybe it's
committing to a few minutes of daily
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:prayer to spend time with him in prayer
every single day, maybe just five
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:or 10 minutes a day first, and then
you build up, or maybe it's inviting
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:Jesus into a part of your life that
you've kept closed off that you've
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:sort of just kept hidden from him.
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:Maybe there's fear of what
will happen if you let him in.
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:Maybe it's going to confession
for the first time in a while.
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:Whatever it is, you know what it is
that the Lord is putting on your heart.
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:Like right now in this moment,
if you were to think about it,
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:is there anything that's like
slightly like burning on your heart?
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:Maybe That's what God's calling
you to say yes to you right now.
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:Or maybe that's what God's calling you
to let go of so that you can say yes to
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:more amazing things that lead you to him.
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:St.
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:Joan of Arc reminds us that saying
yes to Jesus transforms our lives.
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:It's no small thing.
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:It's transformational, and it not
only transforms our lives, but it also
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:gives others the courage to follow him
as well and to transform their lives.
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:It's a ripple effect, you guys.
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:It's a ripple effect.
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:I mean, the fact that Catholicism
started with Jesus and 12 guys, and we
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:are here now, I mean like a bajillion
people are Catholic, sorry, I don't know
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:the real numbers, but like, you know.
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:Millions of people.
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:Okay, fine.
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:I'll look it up on Google.
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:How many people are Catholic in the world?
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:As of, okay, it says as of 2022, 1.
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:3 billion baptized Catholics in the world.
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:That's a lot of freaking people.
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:And it started with Jesus and 12 million.
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:Guys, that followed him.
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:So that just shows us the power of how
our yeses can transform our lives, set
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:us aflame, and that flame is contagious
and brings other people into our lives.
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:Into the fold, like brings other people
into this like amazing journey of
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:following Jesus and gives them the courage
to shed their old life and accept Jesus
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:as the center of their life as well.
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:And we want to reach the whole world.
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:There are so many of our brothers
and sisters that don't know
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:Christ yet, or maybe that are
lost or distant from their faith.
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:And you don't know the impact you could
have and other people's lives just by you.
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:Changing yours just by you making
Jesus the center of your life.
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:And if you're listening to this and
you're like, yup, Mari, I am with you.
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:I want to do this.
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:Like I'm all in.
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:Maybe you've said that before and you
just like continually find yourself
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:like not actually going all in.
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:Let this be the time when you go all in.
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:Okay.
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:Let this be the push that
you need to go all in.
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:I'm all about new
beginnings, you guys, okay?
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a new habit in a new month kind
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:Um, and so something I love about
Sikh is that it's in January.
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it feels like a fresh start,.
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:So if you, for some reason, just
like need an excuse to start
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start over on a Wednesday, fine.
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:Although I'll tell you, you can.
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I just, I just need a fresh new start.
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:January.
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:Seek 2025.
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:Let that be your new start.
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:As we approach the new year,
prepare yourself, okay?
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:Start asking the Lord right
now, how do you want to change
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:my life in this coming year?
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:What do you want me to let go of?
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:How can I follow you more closely?
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:How can I make you the center of my life?
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:Start praying about it now.
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:If you're not ready to do it now, start
praying about it now so the Lord can speak
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:I'm recording this in, you know, end
of, you know, Mid to end of November.
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:So that as we approach the new year and
as you get into seek you can kick off
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:the year following christ more fiercely
Whether you're going to seek or not this
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:message is for you Okay, even if you're
not going to seek let this be a time
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:to start a new chapter where jesus is
truly Lord of your life like What does it
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:Means that He comes first over everything.
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:There is not a single thing in
your life that takes priority
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:over Christ and His teachings.
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:Let this be the time where you
allow Him to be Lord of your life.
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:And just take a second ask
yourself, What is one way I
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:Not in January, right?
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maybe it's spending more time in prayer.
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:Maybe it's finally joining that
Catholic Bible study or small group.
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:Maybe it's stripping your life
of a sin that just is keeping you
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:enslaved and away from Christ.
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:Or maybe it's just being more
intentional about living out your
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:Or just noticing how God is at work.
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:Actively blessing you in your day to
day life and actually acknowledging
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:his presence in your life more
wherever you are in your journey.
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:I want to encourage you following
Jesus is the most courageous,
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:fulfilling and beautiful decision.
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:You will ever make,
and that's just a fact.
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:And that's what I've
experienced in my life.
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:That's what I experienced back when I
did that internship and I completely,
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:you know, leaned into this Catholic
life that these girls and these,
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:uh, Catholic men and women that were
interns with me were showing me.
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:That's what I experienced when I went
to seek for the first time in:
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:That's what I experienced in 2020
when I became a focused missionary
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:and began to like dedicate my
life to leading others to Christ.
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:And that's what I
experienced today, right?
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:In 2024, as someone who in every part of
her life is striving to bring people to
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:him and to root my own life in Christ and
to live a God centered marriage, like.
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:I experience the most courageous,
fulfilling, beautiful, joyful, and
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:freeing life that I could ever have.
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:And it's all thanks to Jesus.
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:It's all thanks to the grace he has
given me to follow him and the bold
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:decision to put him first in my life.
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:Friends, we could talk all day.
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:Because this is like my favorite
conversation, but to wrap it up, um, I
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:hope to see you at seek and just thank
you so much for, for tuning in today.
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:If this episode inspired you,
I'd love to hear from you.
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:You can connect with me on Instagram.
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:Like I said, at Mari dot C dot Wagner,
or if you want to hear more of my
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:voice, you can listen in on the ever
be podcast, Spotify, Apple, you know,
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:wherever you listen to podcasts.
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:Um, we also have an Instagram
for that at ever be podcast.
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:So give that a follow.
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:Um, and before I go, um, I'd like to
just close in prayer and just let the
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as we, close out this conversation.
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:In the name of the Father, and the
Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
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:Come Holy Spirit, um, I thank you for
your son and daughter, uh, I thank you
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:for your sons and daughters that are
listening in today, um, I thank you for
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:the work that you're doing in their heart
to inspire them to live a more Christ
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:centered life, to follow you more deeply.
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:Lord, I just pray that you give
us the courage to follow you,
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:May we be bold in our faith,
unwavering in our trust, and just
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:relentless in our pursuit of you.
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:And we pray that you give us the grace
to do so, even in the face of hardship,
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:um, even in the face of feeling like
we are the only one doing so, you
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:know, in loneliness, in our faith, um,
even in the face of our society and
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:our culture that is so different from
the way that you called us to live.
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:God, just give us courage to follow you.
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:Um, and to be brave like St.
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:Amen.
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:In the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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:Amen.
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:Until next time, friends, and I
annot wait to see you at SEEK: