96: Living an Ordered, Integrated Life as a Catholic Woman | Carolyn Espinoza & Mariana Madigan

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Hey, I am your host, Mari Wagner,

and you're listening to The Ever Be

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Podcast where Faith Meets Lifestyle.

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I'm so excited you're here.

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Whether you're a new listener

or a longtime follower, I know

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there's something here for you.

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Pull up a chair and listen in for

insightful, real life conversations and

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actionable steps on how to claim the.

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Full life God created you for.

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If you're a woman desiring to live

a Christ-centered life in today's

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modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to ever be.

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mari-wagner_3_04-02-2026_113936: Today's

episode is about learning to live a

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more ordered life as a Catholic woman,

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and I brought in the two

founders of Soleil Atelier.

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They created the Soleil Weekly Planner,

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Which is a Catholic planner so these

women that you could say are experts on

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learning to organize your life, plan your

life integrating healthy habits into your

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life to make sure that you're living a

balanced life, a really integrated As

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someone who lives a busy life herself

and wears a lot of hats, it's always

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helpful for me to learn from other women.

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What's working for them?

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What are systems they're implementing?

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What are tips and tricks that they're

doing in their home to make sure

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that it runs more smoothly or that

everybody's needs are met in the family?

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So I hope this episode is helpful

for you to kind of hear us all.

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Three, reflect on our own lives and

the different things that we have

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done to try and stay more organized.

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It's really practical episodes.

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You're gonna walk away with

things that you can implement

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into your life this week.

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Let's get into it.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Welcome

back to Ever Bee Podcast, everybody.

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It's me, your host, Mari Wagner,

and today I am accompanied by some

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lovely ladies, Carolyn and Mariana.

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Welcome you guys.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Thanks so much for having us.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752: us.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Can you tell us a little bit about

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who you are and what Soleil is?

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Sure.

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, mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

So Hi.

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I am Mariana.

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, I'm a mother of two, a wife.

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And, , I studied engineering and, , did

a lot with kind of general management,

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but there got to a point in my career

where I was kind of missing the product

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design and, um, a lot of layers of

responsibilities were being added to my

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plate once I got married and had kids.

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, So.

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Yeah, we really needed kind of a way to

get organized and I also wanted to kinda

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start my own thing and design a product.

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So that was a little bit of

the beginning of and the idea.

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, I'll let Caroline kind

of tell the full story.

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She's really good at that.

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But Sole has been really fun to now

do in parallel with my full-time job.

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And I live in the Chicagoland

area, um, near family as well.

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So it's been really fun to kind of

work on Soleil and, being with my

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husband and kids, so that's great.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Awesome.

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So I have a background in education and

then from there I've worked with leading

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nonprofits, um, with different boards,

women of vision, one in fashion and so on.

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Throughout my whole kind of young,

professional career, I kept hearing this

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idea of work-life balance and Mariana

and I were friends at the time and

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so obviously we're striving for this

like golden mean of work-life balance.

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We kept seeing with all of these kind

of opportunities that we were being

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given, whether it was volunteering,

working, cultivating deep friendships,

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growing professionally and personally

ourselves, um, that this idea of

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balance was really hard to maintain.

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And so we said, how, how do you manage

this and become somebody who's successful

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both later on we both became mothers.

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Um, so we're wives, moms, business

owners, and so on, but in a way that's

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very, um, thoughtful and we came up

with this or didn't really come up

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with it, but came to the realization

that it's living this integrated life.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

for us, that meant that we had to have

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these big ideals and goals, but also a

way for holding ourselves accountable.

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And so within that too, we wanted

to have a deep spiritual life, um,

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as well as this professional life to

be able to show up for our friends,

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for our family members and so on.

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And so within that, our first

product that we kind of landed

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on was coming up with a planner.

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And we had also realized during this kind

of transitional period, as you're coming

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out of college, you're working a new job.

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I ended up moving to another country,

and so starting my family out there, um.

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That with all of the moving pieces, it's

really easy to have these kind of big

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goals and dreams, but the accountability

piece is really hard to maintain.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

that, we're all on our screens

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and our attentions being

pulled in different aspects.

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And so having something where we're

pausing and actually writing things

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down for us, we realized was really key.

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Not only for our spiritual life, but

also for ourselves as professionals,

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as friends, as mothers, and so on.

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We landed on coming up with a planner,

but we wanted something too that

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was, um, this integrated piece.

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So it was minimalistic, it could go from

the various places that we were occupying.

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So from boardrooms to the coffee hour,

cocktail hour to the chapel, and kind of

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travel seamlessly in between those spaces.

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, While at the same time helping

us, the individual user live

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in the presence of God better.

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And so within that, we integrated

pieces of the Holy Father's monthly

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intention, um, the liturgical calendar

and examination of conscience.

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Then spaces for us to really

grow as professionals.

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And so within it, we partnered, um,

with Kevin Majors from Optimal Work.

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And so, um, he's both a professor

at Harvard and has his own practice

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and he came up with optimal work.

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So this kind of idea of how do we

strive, for our highest good, like.

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Do we know our highest good

and are we striving for?

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And so for anybody who's Catholic,

for us, obviously it's sanctity.

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And so it as a natural fit, , in

seeing how does the brain work and

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what is the neuroscience behind what's

happening in my brain and how I'm

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tackling these challenges at hand

to help me really achieve this high

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level of professional excellence.

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And so from there, sole was born.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

That is beautiful.

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Thank you for sharing that

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah,

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

and the heart behind it all.

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I think some words that really

resonated with me are balance

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and integration, obviously,

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

I think it's so true.

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We hear work-life balance,

work-life balance all the time, and.

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It's so hard to achieve and like

what is balance really and what does

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it look like in different seasons?

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And having the grace and understanding

with ourselves that that balance like

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can look different in different seasons.

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But what I love that you said is that

like true balance is about integration.

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It's not about like compartmentalizing

different parts of your life or

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ignoring parts of your life and just

like tunnel of vision in on one.

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It's really about

integration of all of that.

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And so I'm excited to get into the

conversation today and talk about that.

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What does that integration look like?

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What does it actually mean to

live an ordered life as a Catholic

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woman and some practicals?

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I'm all about the practicals and I

know you guys have such great advice

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to share for women to walk away with.

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Um, 'cause I think this is one of

those topics where we can like,

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hear a lot about it and walk away

and be like, but how do I do it?

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Like, help me.

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So hopefully we'll get into

some practicals today too.

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But let's jump into our

ever be moments first.

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So this is a space where we can

share how God's working in our life.

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Do you guys have any recent

ever be moments you wanna share?

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Sure.

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So one of mine is, um, we had

scheduled this trip back to visit

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family, uh, months in advance.

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And then we found out, um, my littlest

the youngest niece, so number, I think 11

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now, um, or maybe number 10 was just four.

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And so we were just in

time for the baptism.

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So we had a great family reunion

and I was so grateful, um, because

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living in another country, it's easy

to miss those special family moments.

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So that was really a gift from God.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

That's so beautiful.

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Where are you living?

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

So I'm in Honduras.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Oh, nice.

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That's awesome.

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Over there.

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That's so cool.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Thanks.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And for me on my end.

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So I recently moved into a home

literally like two weeks ago, so

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there's a lot of transition going on.

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Um, but as we're thinking of filling

the space, doing a lot of Facebook

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marketplace shopping, things like

that, finding things in thrift stores.

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But, , the other day when we were kind

of at a garage sale, actually a family

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friend as well, John was picking up,

my husband was picking up some things

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from there, uh, that we had ordered some

furniture and I was doing something else.

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With the kids.

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And , originally I was just

planning on going back home, but

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I kind of felt like, oh, should I

go and see if John needs any help?

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Although I, he probably is fine

and I could go home, but figured I

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might as well stop by and say hi.

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. And when I got there, literally it

was just as he was pulling out and

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I was going in and he kind of stops

me and he's like, wait, wait, wait.

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No, bring the kids in.

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Bring the kids in.

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Because um, this family friend, um, the

her mother that lives there is on the

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older side and she just really wanted

to see the kids and he kind of had

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said, oh, we can come back another day.

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For sure.

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And I really think it was the Holy Spirit

prompted me to go, 'cause I, I really

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wasn't gonna help him move the furniture.

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But, um, getting some time to just

spend with her to slow down in the

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midst of a chaotic errands kind of day.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Hmm.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

and for her to see the kids and

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seeing the joy it brought to her.

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. And at her age with just like what she

can and can't remember and the story

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she was still telling, even though

some things are are fa, she has a

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lot of like, really solid memories,

especially with my husband's family.

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And so it was just such a special time,

, that I really didn't need to be there for,

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but then I was prompted to and it landed

in that really beautiful experience.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Oh, that is so beautiful.

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I love that.

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Thank you for sharing.

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I think for me, my ever be moment is, so

just recently while we were in Mexico, we.

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Went to mass one day and I really

wanted to go to adoration and I hadn't

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really had the time or ability to find

a chapel nearby 'cause my husband had

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the car while he was at school and.

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We walked into this church like on the

backside, like there's a very obvious

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beautiful front courtyard, but we like

somehow missed it and ended up at like

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the random back door and we opened the

back door and as we walked in there's this

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gorgeous big wooden door and there's a

little like printed sign that says, uh,

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perpetual adoration through this door.

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And I was like, oh my gosh.

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And so I like go and push

open the door and I walk in

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and I kid you not, it is the.

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Biggest monstrous I've ever

seen in my entire life.

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I mean, the host was

like bigger than my head.

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Like it was like

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Oh my gosh.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

massive, like huge.

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And so the gold around it was stunning.

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It was so big.

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And we just got to spend some moments

in prayer in the chapel there.

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And it was just like, oh Jesus.

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Like you heard my heart.

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Like thank you for being here

and, and leading me to the

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back door 'cause we would've

absolutely missed it and not known.

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And we got to go back another time.

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Um, to go, uh, see the Lord there.

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So that was just a beautiful, yeah, just

a beautiful little Hi, God, God moment.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

That's awesome.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Okay,

well let's dive into our conversation

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today, and I think a good way to kick it

off is just kind of setting the groundwork

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of what does it actually mean to live

an ordered life as a Catholic woman.

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What would you guys say to that?

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: I

think, um, in a sense it's easy for us to

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see order and it's a human virtue, right?

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, But as a Catholic, it's so different.

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I don't know if you've heard

of, um, transformation Christ

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by Dietrich von Hildebrand, but

hands down recommend this book.

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It's phenomenal.

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And he talks about how we have like

the val or the virtues on a human

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level of charity of order and so on.

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But on a Catholic level, it's divinized

and it calls on all of your faculties.

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And so living order could just be having

things in their place at the right time

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and so on, in the Catholic level, which

I'm glad you added that to the question.

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It's doing the good that I ought to

be doing when I should be doing it.

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And for whom I should be doing it.

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And so in there, I'm calling at my

will, my intellect, and not only

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for whom, but because I want to.

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And so that's like the greatest reason,

all because I'm doing it out of love.

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And so of washing the dishes, because

it's a responsible thing to do and I'm not

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leaving a mess for the person behind me.

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I'm doing it out of love for them.

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I'm doing it to serve God.

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And then it takes on this

echo and eternity basically.

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And so it could help us.

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I think a good question for myself

is having this like rectification, so

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asking like, where's my heart during

the day, in those quiet moments.

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And so when I do have a little downtime,

um, or space, what am I reaching for?

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What am I looking for?

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And this could be a good

like examination of.

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Being like, okay, my heart's

in that Facebook marketplace.

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I just wanna find the best deal.

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Or, um, my heart's actually

in like resting our Lord.

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And that really gives us not only order,

but brings the peace that comes with

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that supernatural virtue of order.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

That's beautiful.

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Yeah, no, I love that.

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And one thing that comes to mind too,

that I've heard in the past is it,

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it basically is what you said, right?

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It's like the rightly

ordered things, put it.

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Can you say that amazing quote again?

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What was that quote?

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It was like, do the thing you ought to do

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

when you ought to do it and for whom

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you

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

and for who do.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

like out of love.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yes.

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And one way that I've heard it being

put is in regards to our vocation and

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the responsibilities that come with

our vocation and how first, the rightly

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ordered way of things is first our

vocation as a beloved son or daughter

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of God and our relationship with God.

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And then it's to our spouse or, um, if

you're religious right, that would just

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be like your, your spouse, your bride.

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Well, you're the bride of Christ, right?

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And then it's your children

and then it's your work.

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And so doing the things you

ought to do in that order, right?

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To whom it's, um, for, I think it's a

beautiful way to put it, but essentially

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what I had heard just kind of said in a

different way, um, which is beautiful and.

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I think honestly, really

hard to actually do.

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I think it's very much easier said

than done and, and sounds very obvious.

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Of course, we put God first.

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Of course.

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We put our spouse first, of

course, then we put our children.

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But in practice, in the day to day,

I see the challenge every day of,

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okay, I have to actually work and

strive to go to put God before my

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to-do list today, or I see the way.

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You know, my sisters and friends strive

to, okay, I'm gonna put my husband before

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the needs of my children right now.

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And so, would love to just kind

of hear some of your thoughts on

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that and your experience with that.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752: Yeah.

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I

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think just reacting to what you're

saying, Mari and me being a very,

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like type a organized kind of person,

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yes.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

think the order of priorities, you

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also think that means like amount of

time dedicated to those things or, , us

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being human also, whatever's right in

front of us and what we're spending

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time on can be where our mind is.

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And so, um, that is where, where

I think the challenge can be.

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'cause if.

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For example, when you have

young kids and they need a lot

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of your time and attention.

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And for me, if I'm like also

working, then it's okay.

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Is that me putting my

husband below my kids?

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But no, it's also just kind

of what Carolyn was saying of

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where your heart's at and the

intention behind what you're doing.

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Um, because in everything we do, we can

be in conversation with God or, um, doing

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it for him or offering things up to him.

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And so that kind of puts him first, even

if we're not like in a chapel, you know?

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Um, and same with my

husband, making sure we have.

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Time every day that we're being

on the same page or the date

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night a week or whatever it might

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

each other first.

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But that love then outpours to our kids

and to others so it doesn't stop them.

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Um, so I think that to me can be,

the hard part is it's not about

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like how much time I'm dedicating.

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It's

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yes.

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

like the intention behind it.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautifully said.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

you said with that, Mariana.

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I think the other thing, like

within Mariana's thing is the like

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desire, and maybe it's just me, but

like the desire to like perform.

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And so

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the,

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

more easy to have order in the things

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that are external that people see like,

oh, my house is like perfectly clean.

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Like my work that gets seen by like the

outside world is great, but my like kid

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is running around with a runny nose and I

haven't stopped to like, take care of 'em.

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And so seeing, am I doing it like

perfunctionary, like the exterior

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ones or am I really taking care of,

like Mariana said, that like order

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of love too, like within my heart,

um, is it there so that I'm not just.

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for others, but really like the

core pieces, um, are missing.

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And I'm looking for that like praise.

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I think especially being, um, a home, like

being, having part of like our vocation

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is when being like homemakers, um.

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It's easy to be like, well,

nobody's gonna like say you

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did great on doing the laundry.

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Like the dishes

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look

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Right.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

We don't have that like acylation.

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Um, but at the same time that if I'm doing

that with love, like that can be on the

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same level of this like crazy big report

that I just gave to our board members.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

if I do with more love the dishes,

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that's more valuable, like in

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

terms.

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So

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautifully said.

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Yeah.

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So why do you guys think that so

many women today feel overwhelmed

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or scattered in their daily lives?

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mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

I think a lot of it is, and maybe not

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everyone feels this, but for the ones that

are doing a lot, . That pressure to kind

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of do it all and us just being women in

the way God designed us naturally is that

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we think about all those things at once.

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It's, it's a lot harder compared

to, to men to kind of focus on one

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thing at a time and do one task at

a time and then move on to the next.

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We feel that weight in all

of our responsibilities and,

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, wanting to really care for.

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everyone equally.

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And this pressure to kind of do

it all, , makes it overwhelming on

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how to organize that, especially

when mentally you're thinking

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about that all throughout the day.

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Um, so that's, at least for me, that

definitely something that I struggle with.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

I think like as a follow on to

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Mariana's, like from that, the frenetic

pace for me, I realize it's when I

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don't take time for like silence.

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Like then I get, everything is coming

at me all at once because like in

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silence, when I'm alone with God,

I see myself like as I really am

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and I can be like, Hey, I'm a mess.

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Like I need help figuring this all out.

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Um, and I'm able to step back and

see like what's actually important

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versus like what's immediate.

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And I think when we don't pause.

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Everything that's immediate is coming

at us and we realize like the important

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things are slipping away, but it's because

we haven't been able to put that order.

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Um.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: And

also I think within that then it's easy

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to create like our own crosses instead

of being like, this is what our Lord

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wants me to focus on and we can be kind

of focused on something else and being

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like, I just wanted it to be this way.

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And he is like, it's

not that big of a deal.

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Like that's not actually where I

want your heart to be focused on.

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Um, and it's humbling too because

we realize that sometimes we need

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to ask for, like, help from others

or that we're not leaning on that

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grace, um, that's available to us.

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And we come to these like task

doers and back to the first one,

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like performers instead of like

really intentional with our time.

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And from there then we're able to

like really be aware of and serve

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the needs of the others around us.

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mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And I think too, like as women, you guys

were saying it perfectly, we hold so much.

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The more I get older, it's honestly

incredible and shocking how much

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we can hold at the same time.

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I, I can't even imagine what

it's like when you start to

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add children into the mix.

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You're holding so much and.

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As women, we also feel so much

about everything we're holding.

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It's like we have emotions in general,

and then we have emotions on our emotions

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on everything that we are holding.

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And so now we're not just holding

what needs to be done, but we're

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also holding how we feel about

everything that needs to be done.

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And I don't know about you guys,

but I know for me a struggle is.

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Then I get really hard on myself and

then it's like, well, like I should

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have, I should have done it this

way, or I should have made time here.

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Or if I, if I had only reordered things

in a different way or if, or I had

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gotten up earlier, or if I did this,

then like, then everything would be

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more or ordered or more organized.

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Right?

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And we start to put it all in ourselves.

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Um, so I love your advice of taking

time to reflect with the Lord and give

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him all that and let him kind of like

unwind just that whole spaghetti mess.

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That we have in ourselves and kind of

pull out like the things that are truly

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important that he wants us to focus on.

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: 00:19:34

And it could be that all the things

that we are holding are good.

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They could all be good things, but even

then the Lord doesn't want us to do

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all the good things at the same time.

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: 00:19:44

Right.

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And so.

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Yeah, like taking that time with the

Lord or for me to honestly like, I don't

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know about you guys, but my husband is

just like such an anchor in my life to

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: 00:19:54

like de-stress me and also kind of take

that spaghetti brain and just kind of

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organize it all into straight lines again.

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: 00:20:02

I'm like, oh wow.

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When I sit down and I just like

spill everything in my head.

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: 00:20:07

He's like, he is able to see it

all and kind of help me organize

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: 00:20:10

it and I'm like, okay, great.

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: 00:20:11

Wow.

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: 00:20:11

Like we're so complimentary, like this

is so good, like you can help me kind

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of move forward and see things clearly.

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So just some of that time for reflection

with the Lord or maybe with your husband

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or something I think is really helpful.

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I.

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carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Totally.

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: 00:20:25

I remember one time someone recommended as

like an active mortification of like, if

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: 00:20:30

I had a time to like leave the house, that

I left the house and did nothing else.

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: 00:20:34

'cause I feel like sometimes we're walking

outta the house and we're like, oh, I, I

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: 00:20:37

wanted to grab that thing and put it away.

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: 00:20:39

Like, oh, I also need to grab my notebook.

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: 00:20:40

If I'm going out, I should

also do this return.

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: 00:20:42

And by the end, we're like Al

Woman trying to do it all at once.

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: 00:20:45

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yes.

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: 00:20:46

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Just having that, like I'm

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: 00:20:47

leaving the house and that's it.

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Like that piece that like, I'm focused

on the one task that I was like, wow,

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: 00:20:52

that's such a, like concrete, but like

thoughtful way of like, I'm present, like

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: 00:20:56

this is what I'm focused on and like the

rest, I'll figure out time later to get

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: 00:20:59

it done, but like, I need to be on time

for this thing and so I'm gonna go for it.

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: 00:21:03

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

That's really good advice.

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I am definitely gonna walk

away with that because I think.

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: 00:21:08

We so often can fall into like

thinking it's almost virtuous of

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like getting everything done, right?

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: 00:21:14

Like being the one that

thought of everything.

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: 00:21:17

And so then taking every second

an opportunity we can to multitask

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: 00:21:21

to get, to check as much off.

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: 00:21:23

But then like, how does that

leave us feeling inside?

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: 00:21:25

I don't know about you guys.

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I never check off everything on my list.

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And the more I check off, the more

I add, like the more things come up.

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: 00:21:33

So it like doesn't actually

leave me feeling super peaceful.

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: 00:21:37

Could it be more virtuous to know

like, this is the one thing that I'm

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: 00:21:41

dedicating my time and energy to, and

that's what I'm gonna do and I'm gonna

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: 00:21:45

do it well, and I'm not gonna let

myself be like burdened by other things.

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: 00:21:48

That's, that's definitely

something to think about.

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: 00:21:50

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah, and being human.

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I think having those different

spaces is so important.

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: 00:21:54

Like you do need to get out

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: 00:21:55

of the

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: 00:21:55

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

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: 00:21:56

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

not have the visual clutter, or even

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: 00:21:57

if it's within the home, like having a

room, you can go through whatever it is.

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: 00:22:00

But, . , God knows we're human

and like having those separate

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: 00:22:03

places for things is so important.

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: 00:22:05

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Yeah, totally.

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: 00:22:06

So more practically, what are

steps that you guys take to plan

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your day or maybe your week?

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: 00:22:12

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

I think this looks really different

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depending on what season we're in.

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: 00:22:15

So I think you're

catching us at a very like

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: 00:22:18

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah.

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: 00:22:18

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752: time

with both of our oldest being very young.

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: 00:22:21

Um, and we're new moms.

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But, for me, on my end, I do work, I

have a full-time job, but I'm also on

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maternity leave for my second right now.

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: 00:22:27

So.

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: 00:22:29

Each year has been like maternity

leave and work look very different.

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Um, but I think the common thread is.

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Finding time to kind of think through,

um, what are my priorities for the week?

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: 00:22:41

So, um, in, when we designed our planner,

we have the top three to, because it is

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: 00:22:46

good to just like have a concrete number.

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: 00:22:48

Um, like you said, Mara, you

can always add to the list.

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So like, what are the

top three priorities?

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Um, but also just like what does, what

needs to happen throughout the week, um,

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in terms of like physical activities or

what people who, who needs me that week?

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: 00:23:01

Um, thinking through that.

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Um, and then, and of course like

along with that is the essentials

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of where prayer is gonna go.

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So like, when am I gonna go to daily mass?

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Or things like that.

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: 00:23:09

, But then after that it's like,

where are the other little like

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chores or tasks or projects.

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It's gonna fit in.

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, And that's like discerning what I

can actually handle that week and

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: 00:23:19

like how much free time I really

have while still having time

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: 00:23:22

for, for people and relationships

and, , and fun activities as well.

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: 00:23:27

Uh, so during maternity leaves, a

lot of that's like during my, the

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: 00:23:30

kids' nap times and things like that.

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: 00:23:31

And then when I'm working, it's

oftentimes, . Beginning of my work

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day on a Monday is like the week,

and then at the end of the workday I

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: 00:23:38

like to reflect on how the day went,

like what I wanna get done tomorrow

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: 00:23:41

and how I could be better tomorrow.

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: 00:23:43

So like having that

daily reflection as well.

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: 00:23:45

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautiful.

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: 00:23:46

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

I think find is similar, but I think,

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: 00:23:48

um, for me, even before starting Solei,

a planner was like kind of terrifying

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: 00:23:53

for me because it's such a form of like

accountability and then you see like, ugh,

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: 00:23:58

like I didn't follow through with that.

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: 00:23:59

Or like, Hmm, I miss that.

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: 00:24:01

Or that day's just totally blank.

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: 00:24:03

I do see it as something that I

need, like something physical,

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: 00:24:05

tangible that I can take away.

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: 00:24:07

And again, it's kind of, I

actually added to my prayer time.

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: 00:24:10

So I start off my morning, um, with

my planner and so I, we set it up

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: 00:24:15

actually how, like my brain works in

the sense of, um, I put down my top

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: 00:24:18

three for the week in the beginning.

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: 00:24:20

And so I think it's kind of

anti this Okta mom idea that

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: 00:24:23

like, I'm gonna get it all done.

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: 00:24:24

Like what are the three things

that at the end of the week

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: 00:24:27

if I haven't accomplished it.

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: 00:24:29

has to change.

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: 00:24:30

And so those are things also that I'll

like discuss with my husband as well to

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: 00:24:33

be like, this is my goal for the week.

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: 00:24:35

Like, I need your support

in getting this done.

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: 00:24:37

So my top three, um, that I get it done.

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: 00:24:40

And then the other is like thinking

about what are the big things that

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I really wanna be present for?

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: 00:24:44

Whether, um, it's a friend who has a job

interview that I wanna follow up with, um,

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: 00:24:48

whether it's a birthday, whether um, we

have a meeting with a client, whatever.

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: 00:24:53

So what are those things that I really

need to like set aside time for?

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: 00:24:56

Um, and make sure that I have other

pieces in place so I can be at peace

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: 00:24:59

with it, that I'm arriving on time,

that everything feels like good to go.

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: 00:25:04

Um, and then once I have those kind of

big blocks in the spaces, I also, um.

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: 00:25:11

Kind of think of the way, how does

this work with my like, plan of life.

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: 00:25:14

And so for me that means I'm going to

like daily morning mass, um, and to

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: 00:25:19

setting aside daily time for prayer.

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: 00:25:20

And so that means waking up a little

bit early before my toddler wakes up.

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: 00:25:24

So there's like some silent time in

prayer with nobody kind of calling

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: 00:25:27

on my attention or needing me.

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: 00:25:29

Um, that I'm able to have

like a cup of coffee.

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: 00:25:31

I'm able to like, look out a window

into some like beautiful nature scene.

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: 00:25:36

And then on the flip side, it also

means that I'm setting a bedtime.

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: 00:25:39

And I think that's something

that as an adult and as a wife,

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: 00:25:44

mother, so on, it's really hard

to like maintain a bedtime because

569

: 00:25:47

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

570

: 00:25:48

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

waking up on time.

571

: 00:25:49

Like I need to be around for other people.

572

: 00:25:50

But really bedtime is like for myself.

573

: 00:25:53

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

574

: 00:25:54

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: but

I think that's so helpful because it's a

575

: 00:25:56

way of like resting and charging in the

end, like that's making you available

576

: 00:26:00

for others and being able to serve, um.

577

: 00:26:03

At the same time.

578

: 00:26:04

And so I think having those two,

like time block is really important.

579

: 00:26:08

, And then also just like looking at one

of the times that I'm gonna set up for

580

: 00:26:11

cleaning, one of the times that I'm

gonna, um, be with friends, because

581

: 00:26:15

for me, that's also like a recharge.

582

: 00:26:17

Um, where am I gonna put date night?

583

: 00:26:19

, But really at the end of week, having

written those things down, then

584

: 00:26:22

I'm able to look back and reflect

and be like, okay, this went well.

585

: 00:26:25

This didn't go well.

586

: 00:26:26

How can I improve?

587

: 00:26:27

'cause obviously we're works in

progress and some weeks will be

588

: 00:26:30

great, others will be kind of messy.

589

: 00:26:32

And that's just how it is.

590

: 00:26:33

And that growing space, um, is huge.

591

: 00:26:36

And then as I mentioned before,

like of this like self-knowledge

592

: 00:26:39

piece also is like a way of

working as a team with my husband.

593

: 00:26:42

And so looking over with him and being

like, yeah, like that didn't go great

594

: 00:26:46

or like, that was such a fun plan.

595

: 00:26:48

Like we should do that more often,

um, is kind of how I go about it.

596

: 00:26:52

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

I love that.

597

: 00:26:53

I love, especially what you were saying

about taking note of the things you wanna

598

: 00:26:57

be present for just in your personal life.

599

: 00:26:59

I think that's so important.

600

: 00:27:01

And for women who feel like they have

a busy life, especially women who are

601

: 00:27:06

juggling both a professional life, a

home life, being a mother, a wife, that's

602

: 00:27:10

so much to juggle and I think it could

be really easy to drown in that and.

603

: 00:27:16

Kind of just become unaware of

anything that's outside of the

604

: 00:27:19

four walls of your home, right?

605

: 00:27:21

And you driving to work and back.

606

: 00:27:23

But I think it's so important to be

intentional in your relationships, um,

607

: 00:27:27

outside of your home and your work,

because those friendships, that community

608

: 00:27:31

is so valuable and so filling for you,

for your cup, for your wellbeing as well.

609

: 00:27:39

And so I love that.

610

: 00:27:39

'cause I think a lot of the times we

have those good intentions, but they're

611

: 00:27:42

just floating thoughts in our brain.

612

: 00:27:44

Like, oh, it's my friend's

birthday on Thursday.

613

: 00:27:46

Or like, oh, my friend just had a baby.

614

: 00:27:47

Like I wanted to make her a meal.

615

: 00:27:49

Or This person just came home

from the hospital or whatever.

616

: 00:27:53

And it floats in our brain.

617

: 00:27:55

And then sometimes the time passes we're

like, oh shoot, I wanted to do that.

618

: 00:27:59

And the intention was there, but you,

you didn't follow through with that.

619

: 00:28:02

Good.

620

: 00:28:02

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Right.

621

: 00:28:02

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Just act of love.

622

: 00:28:03

So even just taking that extra step

to write it down and to make note

623

: 00:28:07

of that at the beginning of the

week, I think is beautiful advice.

624

: 00:28:11

Also , . Like I've heard people have

like marriage meetings or weekly

625

: 00:28:13

meetings or something and they

626

: 00:28:15

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752: Yeah.

627

: 00:28:15

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

things over with their husbands and

628

: 00:28:17

you both have a space to be like,

this is what should happen this week.

629

: 00:28:20

This is what I really want.

630

: 00:28:21

How can we support each

other to get it done?

631

: 00:28:23

I love kind of that team mentality.

632

: 00:28:25

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Mm-hmm.

633

: 00:28:26

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And I

634

: 00:28:26

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

635

: 00:28:27

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

that, the other thing that's helped for

636

: 00:28:28

like showing up, like you were saying that

it's so good to have those friendships

637

: 00:28:32

is also like stacking the things.

638

: 00:28:33

So you're reflecting back on the

week and you're like, man, I wish

639

: 00:28:36

I had gotten groceries earlier,

or I wasn't able to make masks.

640

: 00:28:39

But then.

641

: 00:28:40

Connecting it with something like, wow,

I haven't seen this friend in a while.

642

: 00:28:43

Maybe I can invite her

643

: 00:28:45

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

644

: 00:28:45

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

then we go to the park afterwards with

645

: 00:28:47

our kids, or I have to get groceries.

646

: 00:28:49

And this other friend of mine has been

like, I've been dying to make this recipe.

647

: 00:28:52

And so we go grocery shopping together,

we make that recipe, but kind of

648

: 00:28:56

putting two good things together that I

649

: 00:28:58

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

650

: 00:28:58

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: I

wanna accomplish, but making it something

651

: 00:29:00

that's like joyful and more life giving

than like, oh gosh, grocery shopping, like

652

: 00:29:05

another Costco trip kind of thing.

653

: 00:29:07

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

654

: 00:29:08

No, I love that too.

655

: 00:29:09

And just a couple things I feel

like that have helped me a lot is

656

: 00:29:14

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah,

657

: 00:29:15

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: a day of

the week where I'm like looking ahead to

658

: 00:29:17

the next week and making note of things.

659

: 00:29:19

And I think for me, meals are a big

thing that are just like a make it

660

: 00:29:24

or break it for my day or my week.

661

: 00:29:26

And so on Sundays I usually

take time to meal plan.

662

: 00:29:30

We don't really do meal prepping,

but I meal plan for the week and um,

663

: 00:29:34

some people might think it's crazy.

664

: 00:29:36

I'm like, I plan my breakfast, lunch,

and dinner for the entire week basically,

665

: 00:29:39

and I have it all written down a little

notepad and then I make the grocery

666

: 00:29:42

list based off of all those recipes

and I buy those exact ingredients.

667

: 00:29:46

So I know I'm using exactly what I bought

from the grocery store and it, for me,

668

: 00:29:50

it just takes away that decision fatigue,

which I feel like, especially women

669

: 00:29:54

who is working and maybe has children.

670

: 00:29:58

There's so many decisions you have to

make during the day and not a lot of time

671

: 00:30:03

if you have to be at a job at 9:00 AM.

672

: 00:30:05

And so even just knowing like, okay, this

is what I'm having today for breakfast.

673

: 00:30:09

I know I already have those ingredients.

674

: 00:30:11

I can do that.

675

: 00:30:12

I maybe you packed your lunch the

night before, but then you already

676

: 00:30:15

know what's getting done for dinner.

677

: 00:30:17

Um, and even having it written down.

678

: 00:30:19

And I write down where I

got the recipe from too.

679

: 00:30:21

So I have this little notepad.

680

: 00:30:22

I'll just.

681

: 00:30:23

I'll link it in the show notes,

but I'll be like, okay, like

682

: 00:30:26

protein, blueberry pancakes.

683

: 00:30:28

And then I'll, I'll just in parentheses

put like IG recipe and I'll know,

684

: 00:30:31

oh, I saved it on my Instagram.

685

: 00:30:33

Or it'll be like, you know, chicken

Piccata from half Baked Harvest

686

: 00:30:37

cookbook number two, and I'm like, okay.

687

: 00:30:41

It's from because I'm like, I

have so many cookbooks and so

688

: 00:30:43

many things saved on my Pinterest.

689

: 00:30:44

I'm like, I don't even

know where that recipe is.

690

: 00:30:46

But then it's also really helpful for

my husband because if there's an evening

691

: 00:30:51

where maybe I'm hosting Bible study and I

didn't get time to plan and so I have to

692

: 00:30:55

plan right before Bible study and I didn't

have time to make dinner, he can go and

693

: 00:30:59

it, it's a weight lifted off of me to.

694

: 00:31:02

Be like, okay, this is what we're

making and this is what you gotta do.

695

: 00:31:04

But he, he knows he can go to the little

meal chart and be like, oh, okay, it's

696

: 00:31:08

chicken piccata from half baked Harvest

book number two, I'm gonna go make dinner.

697

: 00:31:12

And he's empowered to go make dinner

that night and it's, it's great.

698

: 00:31:16

So that's just my little tip there is

that when your meals are planned, decision

699

: 00:31:20

fatigue is taken away and you know you

have the ingredients and you're well

700

: 00:31:23

fed all week, which is so important.

701

: 00:31:25

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

I totally agree.

702

: 00:31:26

Something that we actually started doing,

which was like, kind of crazy, but um,

703

: 00:31:31

when my like new, when my little one came,

I was like, I'm not gonna have any time.

704

: 00:31:35

And so I ended up making like triple

the recipe, which is like, okay,

705

: 00:31:40

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Wow.

706

: 00:31:40

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

So you have it basically for dinner

707

: 00:31:42

or

708

: 00:31:43

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

709

: 00:31:43

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

you have, you'll have the

710

: 00:31:45

next day as leftovers.

711

: 00:31:46

But I would freeze a part of it

if it was a freezable meal, and

712

: 00:31:49

then I could just unfreeze it.

713

: 00:31:51

So in the seasons where I know things are

gonna be crazy, I'll make a healthy meal

714

: 00:31:55

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

715

: 00:31:56

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

and freeze a section of it.

716

: 00:31:57

So don't even use it as leftovers,

just have it later to pull out of

717

: 00:32:00

your freezer and be like, this is an

amazing meal from half bake harvest that

718

: 00:32:04

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

719

: 00:32:04

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

and put on rice.

720

: 00:32:05

But like so simple and

such, like a sense of peace.

721

: 00:32:08

my family something

healthy, but also it's gonna

722

: 00:32:10

take

723

: 00:32:10

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

724

: 00:32:11

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

15 minutes to like do

725

: 00:32:12

it

726

: 00:32:13

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

So awesome.

727

: 00:32:13

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

that was huge.

728

: 00:32:14

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

It's a great idea.

729

: 00:32:16

Okay, so for the busy woman juggling work,

home relationships, where should she start

730

: 00:32:22

when trying to get her life in order?

731

: 00:32:24

What's the first thing you

recommend that she should focus on?

732

: 00:32:27

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

So ideally

733

: 00:32:28

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: I.

734

: 00:32:29

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

like prayer and reflection, right?

735

: 00:32:30

Like turning back, slowing down

silence and talking to our Lord.

736

: 00:32:34

Um, but one thing when I was

thinking about this question is that.

737

: 00:32:37

some of the basics need to be in

place first to actually give myself

738

: 00:32:40

like the mental clarity and peace

to, to properly like, deeply pray.

739

: 00:32:45

Um, so whether that's making the time

to go to a chapel or, um, cleaning

740

: 00:32:49

up an area of the house so that

I'm not distracted by the clutter.

741

: 00:32:53

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

742

: 00:32:54

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

that was big for me.

743

: 00:32:55

But like, just slowing down, I like to

do kind of like a little mini retreat or

744

: 00:32:59

spending some time to, to truly reflect

and think through all the pieces slowly

745

: 00:33:03

and in conversation with our Lord.

746

: 00:33:04

'cause.

747

: 00:33:05

The day to day things can get really busy.

748

: 00:33:08

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And I think like towards Mariana's Point,

749

: 00:33:10

Pope Francis talks so much about the

importance of a dreaming like these big

750

: 00:33:14

ideals for our future, for our children.

751

: 00:33:17

And I think that's something so key in

terms of like living an ordered life,

752

: 00:33:21

like and juggling Dee's responsibilities.

753

: 00:33:24

Like what do I want out of this?

754

: 00:33:25

Like what does God want for me?

755

: 00:33:27

Where am I going?

756

: 00:33:28

Um, so having these like

high ideals I think is huge.

757

: 00:33:31

And personally for me, that means,

um, I'll do an annual retreat like

758

: 00:33:35

in silence for three days, which

is crazy, but it's so beautiful

759

: 00:33:40

because I think really like, until.

760

: 00:33:43

For me at least, it takes like the first

day I'm getting used to the silence.

761

: 00:33:46

The second day you're

like really immersed in.

762

: 00:33:48

By the third day I'm

like, this is amazing.

763

: 00:33:50

Like, I'm coming up with all

these resolutions, I'm having

764

: 00:33:52

more clarity for things.

765

: 00:33:54

Um, but really just that like time

away to refuel I think is so important.

766

: 00:33:59

Um, and just like, I don't

know, gives a little like hint

767

: 00:34:03

to like, where is my heart?

768

: 00:34:05

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Hmm.

769

: 00:34:06

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And so with like this juggling, we

770

: 00:34:08

can ask like, where does God want me?

771

: 00:34:09

And I, I remember this story hearing

him being like, he is a beast.

772

: 00:34:13

But JP two at one point had this like huge

meeting with various leaders of states

773

: 00:34:19

and his secretary couldn't find him.

774

: 00:34:21

And so he went running around the Vatican

and he's like, he's probably in the

775

: 00:34:23

chapel because that's always where he is.

776

: 00:34:25

And he comes in the chapel and

the Holy Father is praying there

777

: 00:34:28

and he is like, holy Father, like

this appointment, it's a big deal.

778

: 00:34:31

Like, we gotta go.

779

: 00:34:32

He is like, I'll come like, don't worry.

780

: 00:34:34

Like I'll be there.

781

: 00:34:35

Comes back like it's a half hour later.

782

: 00:34:37

He's like, no.

783

: 00:34:37

Like it already started.

784

: 00:34:39

Like, we gotta get you there.

785

: 00:34:40

This is so important.

786

: 00:34:42

Precisely because it's important.

787

: 00:34:43

I need to finish this time of prayer.

788

: 00:34:45

And I was like, wow.

789

: 00:34:46

Like how many times am I like, okay,

God, like you here, like my work,

790

: 00:34:50

I need to focus on this right now.

791

: 00:34:52

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

792

: 00:34:54

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

so kind of having those like dreams,

793

: 00:34:55

like I wanna be a saint, so like

what does that actually mean?

794

: 00:34:58

, And so for me, even having.

795

: 00:35:00

At the beginning of the year, I'll come up

with like four kind of guiding goalposts.

796

: 00:35:04

So my spiritual life, , my interpersonal

life, my family life, and like growing

797

: 00:35:08

in culturally, professionally, and so on.

798

: 00:35:11

And so the within that then breaking it

down each month being like in the most.

799

: 00:35:15

Smallest minute NUS detail,

like, how can I live this better?

800

: 00:35:18

So if I'm growing in order, can

be waking up with my alarm clock

801

: 00:35:22

the first month, month, it's just

putting my shoes on, as they say.

802

: 00:35:26

There's like brain signs behind it.

803

: 00:35:27

You get totally dressed, put your

shoes on, and your brain's like, all

804

: 00:35:30

right, we're ready to go for the day.

805

: 00:35:31

, But coming up with those little

kind of tricks to help me keep

806

: 00:35:34

moving towards this, , virtuous

path of growing in whatever virtue

807

: 00:35:38

I'm focused on or whatever goal I'm

focused on, then being like, okay.

808

: 00:35:42

Where do I need to ask for help or

adjust my schedule so that I really am

809

: 00:35:45

living with what's most important and not

falling into like what is most immediate,

810

: 00:35:50

then I think frequent confession.

811

: 00:35:52

I mean, that's been my like equalizer

and just like bringing everything back to

812

: 00:35:57

the basis, because obviously we're gonna

fail many times, but most important is

813

: 00:36:02

to get back up more quickly each time.

814

: 00:36:06

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And with

815

: 00:36:06

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: I love.

816

: 00:36:06

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Just like one little thing to add there

817

: 00:36:08

is

818

: 00:36:08

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Yeah.

819

: 00:36:09

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

realize also the importance of

820

: 00:36:10

the daily reflection when like

821

: 00:36:12

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: Mm.

822

: 00:36:12

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

to these

823

: 00:36:13

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah.

824

: 00:36:14

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

of reflection or bigger times of reset,

825

: 00:36:15

or I need to get everything in order.

826

: 00:36:17

It's not really fruitful if I haven't

actually taken time at the end of

827

: 00:36:20

every day to see how things are

828

: 00:36:22

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah, true.

829

: 00:36:23

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

come to confession and.

830

: 00:36:25

friend's like question, oh,

they're the priests available.

831

: 00:36:26

You can go in.

832

: 00:36:27

And I'm like, ah.

833

: 00:36:28

Like, wait, hold on.

834

: 00:36:28

I need to reflect for a second.

835

: 00:36:30

Like,

836

: 00:36:30

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Who am I?

837

: 00:36:32

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Exactly.

838

: 00:36:33

, , So just having that time in my daily

schedule, I'm, I'm always working on this,

839

: 00:36:37

but really having the time there every

day so that when it comes time to those

840

: 00:36:41

bigger reflections or things are getting

really chaotic, I have spent those smaller

841

: 00:36:45

moments with our Lord thinking through

like how I'm doing, , to know like what

842

: 00:36:48

needs to change or what I need to work on.

843

: 00:36:51

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautiful.

844

: 00:36:52

Yeah.

845

: 00:36:54

Were you gonna say something, Caroline?

846

: 00:36:55

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah, I was just thinking one of the

847

: 00:36:57

things I think sometimes, like you

were saying before, Mari, how we can

848

: 00:37:00

be like hard on ourselves as women.

849

: 00:37:02

One of the questions that I've just,

and if this is helpful for people

850

: 00:37:05

that I've started to add to my like

exam, is how have I like let or

851

: 00:37:11

seen like our Lord loving me today?

852

: 00:37:13

And I think it's such a helpful thing

'cause we can get into the chaos of like.

853

: 00:37:16

How am I doing?

854

: 00:37:17

Like am I being a saint?

855

: 00:37:18

Like how is my virtue?

856

: 00:37:19

Blah, blah, blah.

857

: 00:37:20

And then instead of just being

like, he just wants to love me,

858

: 00:37:23

and like, am I letting that happen?

859

: 00:37:24

Am I recognizing like those small

moments or am I so caught up in like

860

: 00:37:29

what I think it should be like that

I haven't like given him space or

861

: 00:37:32

time to like just be there for me?

862

: 00:37:34

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Hmm.

863

: 00:37:35

Yeah.

864

: 00:37:36

What I was gonna say is I just, I love

that little anecdote about Pope Francis

865

: 00:37:40

and we can, we can all learn from

that so much because how many times

866

: 00:37:45

I know I have, have, we looked at our

schedule and thrown mass or prayer or

867

: 00:37:49

confession or whatever out the window

and been like, God, God, you get it.

868

: 00:37:52

It's such a busy day.

869

: 00:37:53

Like you,

870

: 00:37:54

you know, like, you know better than

anybody, like what I have on my.

871

: 00:37:58

Day.

872

: 00:37:58

Like you understand?

873

: 00:38:00

And I just like see him being like,

precisely like, I understand what you

874

: 00:38:05

have on your plate today, so come see

me so we can do this together so you

875

: 00:38:10

can have the grace to get it done.

876

: 00:38:11

Like let me help you.

877

: 00:38:14

Um.

878

: 00:38:15

And it just reminds me so much also

of the Surrender Novena, and I've

879

: 00:38:18

probably said this so many times

on a podcast, so hopefully I'm not

880

: 00:38:22

boring people, but it's just so good.

881

: 00:38:23

There's a line in Surrender Novena.

882

: 00:38:25

I think it's literally day one or

something where it says like you,

883

: 00:38:29

like letting God be in control is.

884

: 00:38:32

Like you have to actually like

let go of worry and let him do it.

885

: 00:38:37

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: Hmm.

886

: 00:38:37

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: And so

often what we do is we're like a little

887

: 00:38:40

kid trying to open a really tight jar

and say like, mom, can you help me?

888

: 00:38:44

And then she reaches to help you.

889

: 00:38:45

And then you're like,

wait, let me try again.

890

: 00:38:47

Like, wait, no, I got it.

891

: 00:38:48

And so it's just like, we're always

like, we have so much on our plate.

892

: 00:38:52

God help me.

893

: 00:38:52

But like, later, later, like, you can

help me later, I, I gotta go do it.

894

: 00:38:56

And so this is just a good reminder

of like, in the times when we feel

895

: 00:38:59

the busiest, when we feel the most

stressed, when we feel the most

896

: 00:39:01

overwhelmed, those are the most important

times to make time for the Lord.

897

: 00:39:05

Even, even 2, 3, 4, 5 minutes.

898

: 00:39:08

And the piece we will feel from

that makes all the difference.

899

: 00:39:12

It truly does.

900

: 00:39:14

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

And I think like asking ourselves, like

901

: 00:39:15

in those times, where are we going?

902

: 00:39:17

Like are we finding like

rest in social media?

903

: 00:39:21

And if so, like how can we.

904

: 00:39:22

that or trim it down or like ask for

help to kind of focus our like energies

905

: 00:39:27

and like receive like true rest

906

: 00:39:29

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

907

: 00:39:30

Absolutely.

908

: 00:39:32

So kind of going along this, like

when life does get really busy

909

: 00:39:35

or when you feel like you're out

of routine, how do you reset?

910

: 00:39:39

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752: For

911

: 00:39:39

me,

912

: 00:39:40

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Um.

913

: 00:39:42

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Um, blessed Ro had an amazing quote that

914

: 00:39:44

he used to like pray to our Lord, and

it was similar to Pope Francis also had

915

: 00:39:49

a similar one, but it was, thank you.

916

: 00:39:51

Give me, help me more.

917

: 00:39:53

And I think when things are crazy.

918

: 00:39:55

That's like on repeat, that's just

my aspiration in the background.

919

: 00:39:58

Like, thank you, forgive me, help me more.

920

: 00:40:01

Like I'm trying, I'm failing,

but I'm still trying again.

921

: 00:40:04

And when I, like when I really

need to, um, AKA every week.

922

: 00:40:08

This was something also, I remember,

um, I think it was my mom that taught

923

: 00:40:11

me this, but she said the Holy Father

goes to confession once a week.

924

: 00:40:16

Like he's focused on like

the universal church.

925

: 00:40:18

He is Christ on Earth and us.

926

: 00:40:20

And I'm like, ah, yeah, I need it too.

927

: 00:40:23

So that's been something that I've been

working on and it's been super helpful.

928

: 00:40:26

Um, I would say when I fall out of

this like routine, because really

929

: 00:40:30

it is like in the grand scheme

of things, like am I striving for

930

: 00:40:33

sanctity in the like big picture?

931

: 00:40:36

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

932

: 00:40:36

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

then that trickles on into the little day

933

: 00:40:38

to day of what do I make most important?

934

: 00:40:39

Where is my time being spent?

935

: 00:40:41

How am I showing up for

others, for our Lord and so on.

936

: 00:40:44

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautiful.

937

: 00:40:46

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752: And

for me also that time of getting out of

938

: 00:40:48

routine sometimes is a, a sign for me

that I need to like rethink things too.

939

: 00:40:53

So instead of just really quickly

rushing back to figure out how

940

: 00:40:56

can I get this routine to work,

it's like, why is it not working?

941

: 00:40:59

And thinking through that.

942

: 00:41:00

So.

943

: 00:41:01

Ma, you mentioned this earlier,

but I totally relate to just like,

944

: 00:41:04

sometimes that's the time when I

would go to my husband or just like

945

: 00:41:06

kind of brain dump everything and

he helps like straighten things out

946

: 00:41:09

or, um, just like taking those two

pieces separate, like of first getting

947

: 00:41:14

it all down, clearing my head like I.

948

: 00:41:17

Brain dumping, and then maybe it's

the next day even, or, or taking

949

: 00:41:21

some time to, to reflect on it for

a bit before I go back and think,

950

: 00:41:25

okay, does something need to change?

951

: 00:41:26

Or how should the priorities go?

952

: 00:41:28

Um, and like, how can then I

establish a new routine if necessary?

953

: 00:41:32

Because often it's, it's getting out

of hand because there's something

954

: 00:41:36

off, or I'm doing too much.

955

: 00:41:37

So.

956

: 00:41:38

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752: Mm-hmm.

957

: 00:41:39

Yeah.

958

: 00:41:40

Yeah, I relate to that too.

959

: 00:41:41

And I think when I'm in those seasons

is when I realize and when I'm actually

960

: 00:41:46

able to be so honest with myself.

961

: 00:41:47

I'm like, yeah, I'm doing too much.

962

: 00:41:49

Like I think very often I hold

a lot and I don't admit to

963

: 00:41:52

myself that I'm doing too much.

964

: 00:41:54

And then there comes a

breaking point where.

965

: 00:41:56

Okay.

966

: 00:41:56

Yeah, I'm doing too much.

967

: 00:41:58

So what's your guys' advice?

968

: 00:42:00

Like how do you discern, like what

deserves a yes and what deserves a no?

969

: 00:42:04

Because I think in those seasons where

I'm like, I feel a little bit more chaotic

970

: 00:42:08

or out of control and I'm recognizing

like I'm doing too much, that's when

971

: 00:42:11

I recognize like the only way out is

like to start saying no to things.

972

: 00:42:16

And it's really hard to say

no to things and I think a lot

973

: 00:42:20

of women struggle with that.

974

: 00:42:21

Um, so.

975

: 00:42:22

How do you handle seasons like that?

976

: 00:42:24

How do you discern what gets

a yes and what gets a no?

977

: 00:42:29

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

think, um, for me it's helpful asking

978

: 00:42:31

like, who are those directly affected by

the chaos that's like going on in my life?

979

: 00:42:35

And so whether it's my husband, my

family, um, and discuss for me, like

980

: 00:42:41

with him as a team, JP two once said,

um, that married couples can achieve

981

: 00:42:46

such a union that they have one

spiritual life, which I was like, wow.

982

: 00:42:50

So that also means like my chaos.

983

: 00:42:53

Affects him as well.

984

: 00:42:54

And so we have to tackle it together

and then go back to like the priorities,

985

: 00:42:57

like, am I able to live these like guiding

principles or my priorities as well?

986

: 00:43:01

What's getting in the way?

987

: 00:43:02

I'm like, can I be more

creative about my time?

988

: 00:43:05

Um, so that I'm really

able to like be loving,

989

: 00:43:09

mari-wagner_2_04-02-2026_103752:

Beautiful.

990

: 00:43:09

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

you think of the people in your

991

: 00:43:10

life, , it starts to become clearer.

992

: 00:43:12

What truly is necessary versus what's

993

: 00:43:14

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah.

994

: 00:43:14

Yeah.

995

: 00:43:15

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

think is necessary, what you've

996

: 00:43:16

carolyn-espinoza_2_04-02-2026_113752:

Yeah.

997

: 00:43:17

mariana-madigan_2_04-02-2026_113752:

yourself.

998

: 00:43:18

and like truthfully for me,

sometimes in some seasons.

999

: 00:43:20

That's a lot of like asking for

help and outsourcing, , working

: 1000

00:43:23,818 --> 00:43:25,708

and, and having a family.

: 1001

00:43:25,768 --> 00:43:29,398

Last year when I was before my second

was born and so I was working and we

: 1002

00:43:29,398 --> 00:43:33,488

were doing sole, , there was a lot

going on and so I would rather spend

: 1003

00:43:33,498 --> 00:43:33,558

-: 2026

Yeah.

: 1004

00:43:33,608 --> 00:43:35,108

-: 2026

time on thinking, how do I want

: 1005

00:43:35,108 --> 00:43:36,218

things run around the house?

: 1006

00:43:36,218 --> 00:43:38,048

Like what do I want my family to eat?

: 1007

00:43:38,388 --> 00:43:40,248

, How do I like time with my kids?

: 1008

00:43:40,278 --> 00:43:43,158

, I love like designing the home

and the flow of the home 'cause

: 1009

00:43:43,158 --> 00:43:44,358

we host and things like that.

: 1010

00:43:44,593 --> 00:43:47,803

But then somebody else can help

me with the more, like day to day.

: 1011

00:43:48,073 --> 00:43:50,503

Um, I'll say, I guess like

more operational parts of the

: 1012

00:43:50,503 --> 00:43:53,263

home of like, okay, my nanny

helps with the dishes and like,

: 1013

00:43:53,598 --> 00:43:54,048

-: 2026

: 1014

00:43:54,178 --> 00:43:56,443

-: 2026

Like I don't have to be doing all of

: 1015

00:43:56,443 --> 00:43:58,213

the chores as the, as the mother, right?

: 1016

00:43:58,213 --> 00:44:00,523

So, um, it, and it depends on the seasons.

: 1017

00:44:00,523 --> 00:44:02,743

Right now during maternity leave,

I can take on a little more.

: 1018

00:44:03,013 --> 00:44:06,133

, So being okay with that and being

at peace with that was huge for me.

: 1019

00:44:06,193 --> 00:44:07,843

And, um, leaning on others.

: 1020

00:44:08,868 --> 00:44:09,648

-: 2026

Absolutely.

: 1021

00:44:09,648 --> 00:44:12,888

I love your honesty in saying that,

and I think that that like needs

: 1022

00:44:12,888 --> 00:44:16,098

to be said more like it is okay

to outsource even the home things.

: 1023

00:44:16,098 --> 00:44:19,548

'cause I think when people hear outsource,

they think like more like work life.

: 1024

00:44:19,548 --> 00:44:22,548

Like, okay, what am I gonna outsource

in my work life or as a business

: 1025

00:44:22,548 --> 00:44:23,268

owner, you know, there's so.

: 1026

00:44:23,538 --> 00:44:26,598

Much to do and outsourcing

really helps take that load off.

: 1027

00:44:26,598 --> 00:44:30,918

But also like as a wife and mother,

you can outsource things of the home

: 1028

00:44:30,978 --> 00:44:36,078

and not feel bad about it because it's

helping you thrive and helping you

: 1029

00:44:36,078 --> 00:44:39,918

give more of that love and time and

energy to the people in your home.

: 1030

00:44:39,918 --> 00:44:42,258

So definitely want women to hear that.

: 1031

00:44:42,738 --> 00:44:46,695

Um, I was gonna ask one other

thing about what you were saying.

: 1032

00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:48,930

Oh, I remember.

: 1033

00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:49,770

Yes, yes.

: 1034

00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:53,550

You were talking about sometimes like

expectations we place on ourselves, and

: 1035

00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:57,930

I think that's a huge thing for me, and

when I actually come to recognize it,

: 1036

00:44:57,930 --> 00:45:01,230

that gives me so much peace and freedom

because there's definitely seasons

: 1037

00:45:01,230 --> 00:45:04,290

where I feel like, gosh, I was supposed

to do this and this and this and this.

: 1038

00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:08,170

And if it's not there, then I,

then I'm hard on myself and Trey

: 1039

00:45:08,170 --> 00:45:10,870

will often be like, okay, well why

did it have to get done like this?

: 1040

00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:13,510

Or why did it have to get

done by this timeframe?

: 1041

00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:18,520

And I'm just kind of like, well be

because I just like wanted it or just

: 1042

00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,430

because I told myself it would, you know.

: 1043

00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,190

And even like month away in Mexico.

: 1044

00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:29,880

I had a such a list of like big, big

projects that I wanted to have a hundred

: 1045

00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,380

percent wrapped up by the end of the day.

: 1046

00:45:31,710 --> 00:45:35,220

And I just thought that like, because I

was gonna be away from my day to day at

: 1047

00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:39,420

home or yeah, away from my home and my

day to day, that I would have like all

: 1048

00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:42,240

the time in the world to just like, just

like do all of these projects and have

: 1049

00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,440

them all done by the end of the month.

: 1050

00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:46,260

And I'll say we made

great progress on them.

: 1051

00:45:46,885 --> 00:45:47,755

They're not done.

: 1052

00:45:47,755 --> 00:45:51,145

And by the end I was like, the last

couple days I'm like, try like, oh my

: 1053

00:45:51,145 --> 00:45:52,375

gosh, we only have three days left.

: 1054

00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:54,925

Like we have to do all of

these things like quickly.

: 1055

00:45:54,925 --> 00:45:58,105

And he's like, we can either spend

the last three days like super

: 1056

00:45:58,105 --> 00:46:02,275

stressed out trying to like check

these things off just because you

: 1057

00:46:02,275 --> 00:46:05,845

wanted them done by March 31st, or.

: 1058

00:46:06,105 --> 00:46:09,670

Or we could just kind of like have

some balance and check a couple things

: 1059

00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:13,000

off and then enjoy time at the pool

and then enjoy time at the beach and

: 1060

00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,860

enjoy our last couple days together.

: 1061

00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,710

And then maybe we finish 'em

up in the first weeks of April

: 1062

00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:19,570

and, and that could be okay.

: 1063

00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:22,480

And it was just like giving

myself that permission to let

: 1064

00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,240

go of Selfimposed expectation.

: 1065

00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,120

That gave me the freedom to

be like, yeah, it's okay.

: 1066

00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,070

Okay, we can let go.

: 1067

00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:33,460

-: 2026

Or just like the fact that he was trying

: 1068

00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:37,960

to help you, like value rest I think

is so good and so healthy that like

: 1069

00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:38,850

-: 2026

: 1070

00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:40,960

-: 2026

good too for you like, and it'll help you

: 1071

00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,320

be better at your work later on when you

come back and you have all those things

: 1072

00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,345

you're catching up in April, like you'll

be able to have Ben like rejuvenated

: 1073

00:46:47,815 --> 00:46:48,235

-: 2026

: 1074

00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:49,510

-: 2026

of March so that you're able to

: 1075

00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:51,100

really like tackle things in April.

: 1076

00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:51,490

So I think

: 1077

00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:52,440

-: 2026

: 1078

00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:53,190

Yeah.

: 1079

00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,990

Well, so what would you guys say to

the woman who feels maybe behind and

: 1080

00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:59,730

like she can't keep up with life?

: 1081

00:46:59,730 --> 00:47:00,875

What is some advice you have for her?

: 1082

00:47:02,215 --> 00:47:04,015

-: 2026

I love, and I can't remember which St.

: 1083

00:47:04,015 --> 00:47:04,615

Thomas it is.

: 1084

00:47:04,615 --> 00:47:05,965

It's, I think it might be St.

: 1085

00:47:05,965 --> 00:47:10,075

Thomas Aquinas, but he recommended a good

bath, a glass of red wine and chocolate.

: 1086

00:47:10,465 --> 00:47:10,730

I was like,

: 1087

00:47:10,825 --> 00:47:11,425

yes.

: 1088

00:47:11,785 --> 00:47:13,345

Like that's so human, but

: 1089

00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:13,990

-: 2026

: 1090

00:47:14,215 --> 00:47:16,105

-: 2026

Like we need to take care of ourselves.

: 1091

00:47:16,585 --> 00:47:18,145

Um, our health is important.

: 1092

00:47:18,145 --> 00:47:19,555

Like, am I getting enough rest?

: 1093

00:47:19,555 --> 00:47:21,775

And I think that's a really

good question in the beginning.

: 1094

00:47:21,775 --> 00:47:22,885

Like, am I eating well?

: 1095

00:47:23,245 --> 00:47:24,625

Do I have time to exercise?

: 1096

00:47:25,035 --> 00:47:26,355

Like, if not, I need to review

: 1097

00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:26,835

things

: 1098

00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,380

-: 2026

: 1099

00:47:27,705 --> 00:47:29,085

-: 2026

that first part is broken and that's

: 1100

00:47:29,085 --> 00:47:32,715

the most immediate, that kind of,

um, we come head to head with.

: 1101

00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:37,240

Whether it's at, I know a few,

um, mom, friends of mine go to

: 1102

00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,555

the YMCA because they babysit your

kids for free while you work out.

: 1103

00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:40,840

So I'm like,

: 1104

00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,020

that's

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idea.

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Um, or that we do like our rosary

while we're doing like a family walk.

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Um, so we're getting in some movement.

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We're outside of nature.

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00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:53,970

like we were talking about before,

organizing that shopping trip with

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a friend to get in that social

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00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:58,350

rest while you're doing something

that's actually really productive.

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because I think, I think this was

saying as Maria said, that only

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those who know how to be happy

on earth can be happy in heaven.

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And so when we feel behind and when

we can't keep up with life, we're just

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like sad and frustrated and anxious,

um, and we have to like rediscover.

: 1117

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This like real joy in the ordinary.

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But if obviously we're mentally,

physically, emotionally overwhelmed

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committed too much, like we need

to stop and like ask for help.

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alternatively it could be that

we're putting burdens, like you

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were saying, mari on us, that maybe

aren't actually healthy for us

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or are not meant for us to carry.

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and so really thinking Instead of like

working on trying to keep up with this

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idea, I have them myself or with others.

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Um, what are the gifts that I have and how

does God want me to give back those gifts?

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And am I using them on a consistent basis?

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Because that also like

brings us energy and joy.

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Um, and then I totally recommend.

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This masterclass by Kevin Majors.

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So again, he's the one

who started optimal work.

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Um, professor at Harvard has his

own practice, but he has one on

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00:48:58,643 --> 00:49:02,483

anxiety and it's like, what's going

on physically in our brain and how

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can we counteract those like chemical

reactions that are happening so we can

: 1134

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really be present, um, and at peace

about what we're, what we have at hand.

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That's so great.

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Are you able to send me those links?

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We can throw 'em in the show notes.

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00:49:14,453 --> 00:49:15,248

That way people can,

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00:49:15,383 --> 00:49:15,713

-: 2026

Totally.

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00:49:16,433 --> 00:49:16,923

-: 2026

can access those resources.

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00:49:16,973 --> 00:49:17,603

-: 2026

have a link with a

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Yeah,

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00:49:17,993 --> 00:49:19,368

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too, so we'll share that one with you for

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that's true.

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That's.

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perk,

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Incredible.

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Awesome.

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00:49:26,203 --> 00:49:29,413

Well, if we wanna get really practical

to wrap up here, what are two to

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three things that people can implement

or changes that women can make to

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00:49:34,153 --> 00:49:38,713

make this week immediately feel more

organized and at peace, let say.

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I would say wake up at a set time.

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00:49:40,703 --> 00:49:41,873

Go to bed on time.

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00:49:42,788 --> 00:49:46,808

your top three priorities for the week,

and then inspect what you expected of

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00:49:46,808 --> 00:49:50,648

yourself at the end of the week, and

then institute at least 10 minutes of

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00:49:50,648 --> 00:49:52,058

silent prayer to start your morning.

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00:49:52,058 --> 00:49:54,608

And I would say five of those

minutes in total silence.

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00:49:54,608 --> 00:49:58,328

So it's actually a dialogue and

not just us monologuing on all

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that we have in our mind and heart.

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00:50:00,571 --> 00:50:02,401

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I agree with everything Carolyn said,

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00:50:02,401 --> 00:50:05,521

and I always like to also throw in like

doing something fun so that whether it's

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00:50:05,521 --> 00:50:09,301

like a date night or scheduling something

with friends or just remembering that

: 1165

00:50:09,301 --> 00:50:12,421

like God wants us to have joy and have

fun through all of these responsibilities

: 1166

00:50:12,421 --> 00:50:16,261

too, like work is good, work is beautiful,

and it gets us closer to heaven.

: 1167

00:50:16,261 --> 00:50:19,411

It's not this like chore and

then we have time with family or

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00:50:19,411 --> 00:50:20,791

have time fun on the weekends.

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00:50:21,121 --> 00:50:23,791

Um, so scheduling that time for

fun to remind yourself of that

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00:50:24,391 --> 00:50:25,021

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Beautiful.

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00:50:25,021 --> 00:50:25,741

I love that.

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00:50:25,741 --> 00:50:28,801

Thank you so much ladies, for

sharing all that advice and

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00:50:28,801 --> 00:50:30,871

wisdom and practical steps.

: 1174

00:50:31,141 --> 00:50:34,621

Um, can you tell us where can

people learn more about Soleil?

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00:50:34,801 --> 00:50:37,681

Where can we buy your planners

and where can we find you guys?

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00:50:38,111 --> 00:50:39,161

-: 2026

So we're online.

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00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:44,141

So our website is um, sole, atelier.com.

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00:50:44,141 --> 00:50:48,221

And then we also have a presence

on Instagram, sole atelier, LLC,

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00:50:48,581 --> 00:50:51,521

and then we're also on LinkedIn

for those professional connections.

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-: 2026

currently our planners are on sale for 25%

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00:50:55,232 --> 00:50:56,822

off, so now's a great time to snag one.

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In addition to, we have a, a

notepad as well that goes with it.

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00:51:00,062 --> 00:51:02,642

For those of you that love to like

break things down in a lot of detail

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00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:05,612

or like by the hour, um, both of

those are available on our website.

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00:51:05,818 --> 00:51:06,178

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Awesome.

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00:51:07,108 --> 00:51:10,528

Well make sure to send people

their way and put all your

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00:51:10,528 --> 00:51:11,848

guys' links in the show notes.

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00:51:11,848 --> 00:51:13,408

Thanks so much for coming on today.

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00:51:14,668 --> 00:51:15,288

-: 2026

Thanks for your time.

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00:51:15,588 --> 00:51:15,843

-: 2026

is great.

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00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:17,197

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All right.

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00:51:17,197 --> 00:51:21,037

Getting into our ever be

answers for today, we have

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00:51:21,307 --> 00:51:23,017

Struggling with Scrupulosity.

: 1195

00:51:23,077 --> 00:51:26,677

What are your tips on focusing

on love for God instead of fear?

: 1196

00:51:27,247 --> 00:51:29,587

And will you do a pantry tour?

: 1197

00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:33,037

So I'll answer the first about

scrupulosity here, and then I think

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00:51:33,037 --> 00:51:37,387

for the after party we'll just do a

fun little segment of an actual video

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00:51:37,387 --> 00:51:40,627

tour of the pantry tour and we'll break

it all down for you guys 'cause it's

: 1200

00:51:40,627 --> 00:51:43,747

definitely one of my favorite additions

of our home that we did last year.

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00:51:44,227 --> 00:51:46,897

But let's kick it off with

struggling with Scrupulosity.

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00:51:47,002 --> 00:51:50,362

Any tips on focusing on

God's love instead of fear?

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00:51:50,752 --> 00:51:55,042

And I think the biggest thing that I

just wanna drive home with this today is

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00:51:55,552 --> 00:51:59,122

the Lord welcomes our weakness,

and I think a lot of the times we

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00:51:59,122 --> 00:52:02,722

are so much harder on ourselves

than the Lord is on ourselves.

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00:52:03,172 --> 00:52:07,012

And if you go back to

scripture time and time again.

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00:52:07,672 --> 00:52:12,592

The Lord is drawn to the sinners

because he wants to give them mercy

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00:52:12,592 --> 00:52:14,632

and love and draw them closer to him.

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00:52:14,872 --> 00:52:20,002

Nobody is too far away or too

sinful or whatever, too much

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00:52:20,002 --> 00:52:21,472

for the Lord to reach them.

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00:52:22,192 --> 00:52:25,402

And we see this all the time, um, in St.

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00:52:25,702 --> 00:52:26,272

Fina's diary.

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00:52:26,272 --> 00:52:28,972

I've probably said this before

on a podcast, but in St.

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00:52:28,972 --> 00:52:32,722

Fina's diary, Jesus tells her

that he is the closest to us.

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00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:38,377

When we are in our deepest suffering or in

our greatest need, or he loves the souls

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00:52:38,407 --> 00:52:42,247

that call to him in need all the time

because they recognize their sinfulness,

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00:52:42,247 --> 00:52:44,107

because they recognize their weakness.

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00:52:44,647 --> 00:52:48,230

And then even this morning as I was

praying, I was praying with, um, the God.

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00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:56,030

Full account where the woman, breaks the

jar of oil on Jesus's head and feet, and

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00:52:56,030 --> 00:53:00,830

there's a pharisee that is watching this

interaction happen and he whispers when.

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00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,460

The apostles, like, doesn't he

know how sinful this woman is?

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00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:08,210

If he did, if he was really a prophet,

he wouldn't let her be touching him.

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00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:13,310

And Jesus, right, his, his heart is

moved and he speaks directly to him and

: 1224

00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:19,100

he asks which of the two, if there's

two men with debts, one has a debt of,

: 1225

00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:24,920

I don't remember the numbers, 200 Ari

and the other one has a debt of 500,

: 1226

00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,100

and the master forgives both debts.

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00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:31,570

Which, which of the two has the

most love for their masters?

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00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:32,350

Something like that.

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00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:35,950

And obviously the answer is the

one who was forgiven the most.

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00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:40,060

And so then Jesus turns to her and says,

your sins have been forgiven ' cause

: 1231

00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:41,710

of the love that you have shown me.

: 1232

00:53:42,070 --> 00:53:46,540

And she approached the Lord with

love, not fear, despite whatever

: 1233

00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:50,680

sinfulness as she has in her life

or in her past, and the Lord.

: 1234

00:53:50,755 --> 00:53:52,555

Filter with his love and mercy.

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00:53:52,615 --> 00:53:57,355

And so my tips are, go to the gospels,

find those kind of accounts where the Lord

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draws close to sinners and pours out his

love and mercy for them because that's us.

: 1237

00:54:02,215 --> 00:54:05,845

That is, that's a representation of

who we are and how we should be drawing

: 1238

00:54:05,845 --> 00:54:10,915

close to the Lord, and that shows how

he wants to love us and fill us and

: 1239

00:54:10,915 --> 00:54:15,055

forgive us, and never turns away from

us no matter what our past is like,

: 1240

00:54:15,055 --> 00:54:18,685

no matter what our present is like, no

matter the ways that we have failed him.

: 1241

00:54:18,805 --> 00:54:19,765

Um, so.

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00:54:20,545 --> 00:54:26,965

Really learning about the grandeur and

abundance of his love hopefully will

: 1243

00:54:26,965 --> 00:54:31,700

help kind of counteract that scrupulosity

and fear 'cause that scrupulosity

: 1244

00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:33,560

is largely placed on ourselves.

: 1245

00:54:33,590 --> 00:54:35,180

It's not placed there by the Lord.

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00:54:35,517 --> 00:54:36,717

Alright, that's all for today.

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00:54:36,717 --> 00:54:41,367

If you wanna catch a fun video tour of our

pantry, we will see you at the after party

: 1248

00:54:41,417 --> 00:54:43,367

that our Kingdom Club gets access to.

: 1249

00:54:43,742 --> 00:54:46,922

And to join that, you can just click the

link in the show notes to our Patreon.

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See you guys next week