22: Spicy Q&A with Our Best Priest Friend Fr. Sasse

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The soda.

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I have to tell you something

that's a little bit crazy.

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Um, there are several parts

in this episode where it cuts

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out father Sassy's voice.

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And it didn't cut out our connection.

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Just his, we could hear

him the whole time.

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You can hear our responses and

everything, but you literally

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can't hear what he's saying.

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And it happens to be when he answers

questions about communion or, um,

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sexual sin or same-sex marriage,

or kind of caught button topics.

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Or when he's talking about

occult practices and how those

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open doors to evil spirits.

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Um, That a certain, somebody might

not want people to be hearing.

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So, um, this is just a reminder that

the Lord is real and evil is real,

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and he's going to try and fight

against the truth being shared.

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Um, so I'm going to be popping in and

out at certain parts where it cut out

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and you can't hear father's answer.

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And I'm going to fill in what

he did say that I felt like was

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important that got missed because.

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We're not going to let this happen.

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We're not going to let these amazing

answers and there's amazing resource.

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Um, Be lost.

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So if you hear me coming in and

out, that's probably why it just

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randomly cut out at a really prime

spot where father was answering

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something with some bold truths.

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Um, I'm going to come in and replace

the silence with what he actually said,

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and then you'll get back to father.

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So.

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All right.

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Without further.

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All because it is a.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Alrighty,

we got Father Sasse on the podcast today.

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Father is a dear friend of ours.

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Um, he was our chaplain when

we were missionaries at the

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University of Nebraska Lincoln.

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Um, he was my very first real priest

friend and honestly, still my only, I

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don't really have a lot of priest friends.

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So, so still my favorite priest friend.

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Yep.

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Low bar.

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My favorite priest friend.

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Low bar.

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So, Father, do you want to

introduce yourself, um, so that

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our listeners can get to know you?

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Yeah, thanks, Maury.

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I'm Father Alex Sassi.

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I am the assistant pastor at the Newman

Center, the college campus, Catholic

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Church at the University of Nebraska.

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So I do that.

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And I also serve as the vocations

director for the Diocese of Lincoln.

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So I work with seminarians.

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So, um, yeah, it's my

5th year as a priest.

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So I'm still kind of like toddler.

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Moving into, um, like adolescence priests.

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Um, so I'm still learning, but

love the priesthood, love Nebraska.

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it was a real joy to be with Trey

and Mari for a while and just walk

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with them and have fun with them

and be their first priest friends.

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So that was a lot of fun.

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you know what?

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I was just talking with someone about

your guys's wedding the other day.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

I love that.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

of Fort Collins.

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Yeah.

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Incredible.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

So iconic.

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It, it brings me so much

joy when people say that.

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And it's very often that people

are like, I was telling somebody

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about your wedding the other day.

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I'm like, wow.

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What an honor to have our wedding

be talked about all the time.

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I think also it's probably one of

the most noteworthy experiences a

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Nebraskan has had in, in their life.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Yeah, and I might be wrong about this,

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but um, you walk down to the song

walk down the aisle the song ever be?

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Yes, father.

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That's so cool.

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You knew, you

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

was like, Oh snap.

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I'm like, that's, this is the kind

of wedding we're going to have.

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Like, this is going to be, everyone's

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

right from the beginning.

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Yup.

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Tears started right away.

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Yeah.

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Episode.

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You should go back and listen to like

very episode one, cause it breaks down

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literally me walking down the aisle,

why I chose that song, why I chose

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the name of the podcast, basically.

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So, um, but one thing, as you were saying,

experiences that Nebraskans have had.

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This is little just be a funny

anecdote, but I think it was like

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my first week in Nebraska or at

least my first month in Nebraska.

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You were committed to taking us

all on a Nebraska day and giving

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us like the Nebraska experience.

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Okay.

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And for context, I grew up in

Washington state and West coasters.

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Don't think about the

middle of the country.

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So, like, I don't, I didn't know anything

about Nebraska or anything like that.

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This was all very new.

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Yes, and you took us to some

farm, I think, and we shot guns.

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I shot my first, what

was it, a rifle, I think?

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I think a shotgun.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: shot a

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

A shotgun?

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I don't think you can handle a rifle.

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Well, it was one of the big ones.

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Yeah, that would put you on your back.

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Oh.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I, I have something to

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contribute to this story from

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Okay.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

is remember I was teaching you how

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to shoot them like this, how you hold

it, you know, you pull the trigger.

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And when you, when you shoot, you're

going to get super excited and you're

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going to want to turn around and

celebrate with all of your friends, but

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you can't turn the gun towards people.

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It has

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

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I got it.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

were doing, you know, clay pigeons.

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So you throw a target and Mari hit it.

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I mean, every,

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: I got it.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

smoked it.

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I mean, everyone went nuts,

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Nuts.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

She took the shotgun and

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started turning around.

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So I reached out and grabbed the

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Jumping up and down.

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And I'm jumping up.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

why don't I hold that?

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And then she's like, thank you.

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And she turns around everyone.

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She's like, yeah,

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: I

actually, I think I have a video.

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I think Alex recorded a video of the

whole thing, so I'm going to have to

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add that to this, this section here so

people can see because that was, yeah, a

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dangerous but funny moment for all of us.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: We

love Jesus and and corn and cows and guns.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Yeah, yeah, good life.

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It's the good life.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Yeah, that's right.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: honestly,

Nebraska is a very special place in

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our hearts, so don't hate on Nebraska.

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Um, okay, well, we're

gonna get into this Q& A.

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It's going to be a very

exciting, juicy Q& A.

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We have a Yeah.

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A little bit of a spicy Q and a, we had a

lot of questions, so we're definitely not

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going to be able to get to all of them.

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I think literally I'm looking

at like 50 questions right now.

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So Trey and I will kind of look through

and pick out kind of some top ones

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and we'll go from there and, and yeah.

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Did you, did you find one that you liked?

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I did not find one.

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Okay, we'll, we'll start

off with maybe an easy one.

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What, when was the moment you

realized your vocation as a priest?

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Oh, wow.

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Well, my story is I grew up Catholic

and I was, uh, my parents were

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great in raising us in the faith.

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I mean, I was always around the

sacraments, went to Catholic school.

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And I grew up in the city of Lincoln,

which is, you know, kind of like

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a little bit of a Catholic bubble.

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So almost everybody that

I knew was Catholic and.

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I didn't really think about the priesthood

at all growing up, and then when I

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got to the end of high school, I just

started getting more into my faith and

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people were encouraging me in that.

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And I started, you know, going to daily

masses and going to confession more

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regularly and all that this idea of the

seminary came bubbling up into my mind.

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at the time, I thought.

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There's probably like a 0 percent

chance I'm called to be a priest.

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However, I feel like there's

something different about me.

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Like, I don't know what it is, but I

just feel like I'm meant for something

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different, and I don't know what that is,

and so I need a place to figure that out.

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So, um, I discerned and

went to the seminary.

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Again, not expecting to be

a priest, just really just

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wanting to discern my vocation.

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after my first year in the seminary, I had

a incredible prayer experience in front

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of our Lord and the blessed sacrament.

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And he really just laid before me,

here's what priesthood would look like.

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And here's what marriage would look like.

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And he just offered it to me.

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And he said, Which one do you choose?

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I just felt this grace in my heart of, I

think he wants me to choose the priesthood

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something tells me that I should.

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And so in that moment, after my

first year in the seminary, I

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said, Lord, I, if you're offering

it to me, I choose the priesthood.

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And my heart was filled with so

much gratitude and so much, um,

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just exhilarating joy that I said

yes to that and never looked back.

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So I'd say that'd be like the

moment that I was like, I know

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that I'm called to be a priest.

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So I felt really grateful it was early on.

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I think the Lord had to like snag

me early on or I was out the door.

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So

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: So

then you were, I imagine, super holy and

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pious as a high schooler then, right?

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Love it,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

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this, um, this comp, my core lie.

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The thing I really believed is I need

to be impressive in order to be loved.

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so for me, that's like, okay, I

need to be impressive at sports

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and school and relationships and

how I relate to other people.

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And I need to like, be

a good Catholic boy too.

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So really like was just another pin

on my letter jacket of just creating

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this kind of false persona um, that

really didn't get dismantled until a

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few years later of really trying to

follow Jesus and listen to him and not

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listen to what the world thinks of me.

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Yeah,

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: yeah.

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That's great.

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All right.

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What is one misconception people have

about priests or young priests in general?

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And like specifically young priests.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I think a misconception people

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have about young priests is that we

didn't have other options in life.

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I kind of get that sense from people.

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Like I meet them and they're

like, Oh, you're a priest.

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I can kind of, you know, see the

hamster turning in their head.

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It's like, wow, that's really sad.

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Like so sad.

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You couldn't find someone to marry.

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It's so sad that no one would hire you.

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Like you couldn't become

a convict, like anything.

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Apparently you had to become a priest.

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I chose to

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

I think it was your last resort.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I love hearing that.

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I think people.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I'm not really one of them, but I

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know some deeply, deeply talented

priests that gave up careers, medicine,

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gave up, um, sports science careers.

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I don't know why it's the second one

that came to my head, engineers, like.

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of it.

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People that were engaged to be married.

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I mean, have had a lot of options

and the Lord came in and just

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offered something different.

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And they said yes to that.

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So I'd say that's a misconception.

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Um, say another misconception that I

find a lot is that people just assume

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because I'm young and I'm a priest

that I immediately just like, um, and

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kind of hateful towards the world.

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Which is really interesting.

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I think people expect that if you're

a Catholic priest, you're immediately

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like judgmental towards the world.

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Like I'm judgmental towards all

these different fringe groups.

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Or if you live outside of the church's

teaching on sexuality or on any

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other thing, then immediately I'm

like, I don't want to talk to you.

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I found for most young priests,

that's just really not true.

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You know, when I meet someone that's

very far removed from the church,

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there's a little part of me that's sad.

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And there's a little part

of me that's excited.

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And excited to be like, wow, well, this

is why I got ordained is to be like

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Jesus and go to the people that are very

downtrodden and proclaim the good news.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Um,

I think that makes a lot of sense,

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honestly, because I feel like, especially.

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Like younger priests, at least what

I've seen in you, um, there is kind

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of a greater openness because I just

feel like there might be like more

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understanding than maybe an older priest

that's maybe grew up in a different time.

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Like this time doesn't scandalize you.

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What you see every day

isn't scandalous to you.

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And you're not like, Oh my

gosh, you're so horrible.

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You can't be ministered to or loved.

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Um, so I think that makes sense.

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Okay.

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This is a really good question.

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Um, is it possible to go

against God's plan for us?

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If we have free will, but ultimately

God's plan is God's plan, is it

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possible to actually get off the plane?

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This was not,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

question.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: was

about to say, I did not ask this question

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myself, but I might as well have, because

this is a question I genuinely have.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

question.

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Cause you start getting into like God's,

What we call is like active will and

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this permissive will like the active

will is what he is Actively laying

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forth for us to follow his permissive.

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Will is what he allows to happen Um,

yeah, it is possible for us to go against

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god's plan Like god has a plan for us

that he wants us to follow that he lays

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before us and really at every moment

He's offering us an invitation to choose

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him we have the free will unfortunately.

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Well, not unfortunately, but

unfortunately we can choose against

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him And when we go against him, we are

like operating outside of his plan.

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Now, the really beautiful thing is that

we have a God who rescues and redeems.

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we choose to go like the wrong way and

the Lord steps in and he says, okay,

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well, I'm going to create a new plan for

you and bring you back into the fold.

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Like, I'm gonna bring you back to myself.

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And so the way I see it, and I

don't know how theologically correct

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this is or isn't to be completely

honest with you, but the way I see

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Okay.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: is

that we're kind of constantly messing

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up the plan that God has for us.

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And he's constantly just rewriting it,

like, to accommodate for our weakness.

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And, this, the ultimate example

of that would be the cross.

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Yeah.

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It's like the plan was for us to

be like Adam and Eve, to walk in

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the garden with the Lord, to live

in that beautiful relationship.

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um, and then sin entered in.

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And so what was God's response to sin?

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To send Jesus.

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it's like, you know, at the Easter

vigil, we sing this song called the

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Exultant, and there's that great line

in there that says, um, fault that won

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for us so glorious, so great a Redeemer.

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I mean, it's just, it's so lovely

that that's the Lord's response is

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like, okay, you send no problem.

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I'll give you my son and you

can all become my children.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

that's literally what I was

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telling Mario last night.

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We had, so we were, we've been

watching the chosen last night.

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It was wild.

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This was last night when I had

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

last night.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: actually

had an existential crisis and maybe we

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can get into some of those questions

for the first time in my entire life.

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Actually, you can, as far as Sasse

instead of me, these theological

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questions, um, But we were

watching the chosen synopsis here.

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We've been watching the chosen.

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It's our first time watching it.

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I mean, I know it came out years

ago, but we literally didn't start it

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until like may or something like that.

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We're hooked, man.

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I mean, it is

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

It's so

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

so, so good and we just,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

with Mary Magdalene,

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Oh, wrecked me, wrecked me.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

her name and I was like, Oh, no.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Yeah, no, I mean,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: okay.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: those

first, I think those first like five

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episodes, like whenever Jesus came on

the screen, my heart literally fluttered.

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I was like, Oh my gosh, he's,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: here.

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He's gonna do

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

But anyway, so we just finished the

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last episode of the third season.

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So like, we're done with what's out

and it I mean, this isn't a spoiler

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alert because it's in the Bible.

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Right.

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But he's like about to enter, uh,

Jerusalem on the donkey and like the

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whole like passion is about to start soon.

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And so anyways, I just went down this

rabbit hole of questions of like,

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why did this have to be God's plan?

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Like, why did it have to be a crucifixion?

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Why did it have to be suffering?

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Like,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: why

were there so many hard things in life?

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And it led down literally, like it

always, it always came back to like God's

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original plan and Adam and Eve and sin.

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And Trey kept telling me

like, Oh, happy fault, Mari.

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You have to go back to this line.

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Oh, happy fault.

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I love that line.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Good

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: love it.

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I think the reason I love it

is because you sang it at our

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first like real experience of

a beautiful Easter vigil mass.

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We were missionaries and

it just cut to the heart.

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It's beautiful.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Easter

vigil hits different, that's for sure.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

It always does.

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Mm-Hmm.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: so

one of the questions that I, sorry to

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cut you off, but were you done with

your answer for that previous question?

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: hmm.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

your questions last night, Mari

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was like, why did it take so long?

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Like, why?

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Or I guess 2 questions.

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Yeah, I guess the 1st 1 is like, okay.

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Yeah.

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So Adam and Eve sinned,

sin entered the world.

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We're broken.

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We're separated from God.

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Why did it take so long for the, the,

the plan to come to fruition, like

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for the plan of salvation to happen?

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Yeah, that was one of my questions.

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And Trey put it in terms of

like business terms for me.

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And he was like, God has a launch plan.

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Okay.

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Of like bringing everybody back in.

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And this is all part of the launch plan.

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And I'm like, okay, but we're 2024

years in, like, If he loved us

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so much and like wanted us to be

with him and like be saved, like,

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fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Mm hmm.

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mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

is so different, but like, wow,

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that's a, that's a really long time.

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: 00:17:17

And not to mention the however many

thousands of years before Jesus came.

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: 00:17:21

Yeah.

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Oh, and that was a whole thing too.

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: 00:17:22

I'm like, well, if he realized right

away, like, oh shoot, humans are sinful.

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Not that he would not have known.

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I mean, he would have known.

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Right.

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But like acknowledges.

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: 00:17:31

Yeah, there's sin.

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: 00:17:32

There's brokenness.

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: 00:17:33

I need to give him a savior.

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: 00:17:34

Why did it take so long

for him to bring Jesus?

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Why wasn't it just, like, right away?

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And then you didn't have all

these Problems and have to

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: 00:17:42

wipe out the world with Noah.

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And so, yeah.

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: 00:17:45

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: I

mean that's such a good question and

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: 00:17:47

ultimately gonna punt a little bit because

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: 00:17:49

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Okay.

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: 00:17:50

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

it tells us that, you know, in the

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fullness of time God sent his son.

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: 00:17:55

he sent them prophets, he sent

them the law, he sent them all

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: 00:17:57

these things, but And then in the

fullness of time, he sent his son.

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there's something mysterious

about God's timing with it all.

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: 00:18:04

Like, why?

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I mean, we can look at some human reasons.

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: 00:18:06

I mean, the thing that I think

of is the world because of, you

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: 00:18:10

know, the Greeks and then the Roman

empire had become largely connected.

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: 00:18:15

because of that, you're in

like the perfect time for the

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gospel to spread to everybody.

433

: 00:18:19

And so there is an element where.

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makes sense humanly why he came

when he did, but really where my

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: 00:18:25

mind goes, why did it take so long?

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: 00:18:27

Why was the cross necessary?

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: 00:18:28

All of that.

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I kind of always go back to, um, St.

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: 00:18:31

Thomas Aquinas.

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You know, he was asked the same thing.

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Like, why was the cross necessary?

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: 00:18:36

And he said, um.

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: 00:18:38

Oh, you have not considered

the full weight of sin, which I

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: 00:18:43

think is just such a good answer.

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: 00:18:44

Like you have not considered like the

full weight and how bad sin actually is.

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: 00:18:48

I mean, we look at it and who

knows how long it took from

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Adam and Eve to Jesus, right?

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: 00:18:52

Let's just say it's 5, 000 years.

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: 00:18:54

I'm not making claims about anything.

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: 00:18:55

Let's just say it's 5, 000 years.

451

: 00:18:58

it's like, okay, that means at some

level, like, At least the first

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: 00:19:02

sin took 5, 000 years to repair.

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: 00:19:06

Like that's how bad sin is.

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: 00:19:07

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Wow.

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: 00:19:08

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: think

it's worth us looking at it that way,

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: 00:19:10

where it's like, why did it take so long?

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: 00:19:12

Maybe that's just how bad sin is.

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: 00:19:14

It takes that long to

repair and to reconcile.

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: 00:19:18

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

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: 00:19:18

That reminds me of a point that a

professor I had in college said was

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: 00:19:23

one of the reasons he gave for this

concept of the fullness of time

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: 00:19:27

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Mm hmm.

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: 00:19:28

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: was that

the form of punishment of the crucifixion

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: 00:19:33

was The, like, most extreme form of

evil that has ever entered the world.

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: 00:19:38

And so like, that could be a reason,

like, Jesus waited until humans

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: 00:19:41

were capable of such evil so that

then he could endure like the most,

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: 00:19:45

the worst sin for out of love for

us, for the salvation of the world.

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: 00:19:51

And so there's like

another like piece to that.

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: 00:19:54

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: If you

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: 00:19:54

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Obviously that's just.

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: 00:19:56

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

and really Catholic, you could

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: 00:19:57

probably, um, you know, it took so

long because it took that long to, to

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: 00:20:02

set in place forming Mary, who would

be the mother of God, you know, here

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: 00:20:08

is this like one that is perfect.

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: 00:20:09

And,

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: 00:20:10

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

477

: 00:20:11

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

think about St.

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: 00:20:11

Joachim and Anne, her parents, it's

like, these would have been had to have

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: 00:20:15

been pretty hand chosen to be the right

parents to be the grandparents of God.

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: 00:20:18

I mean,

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: 00:20:19

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

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: 00:20:20

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: 2000

years or however many years to form Mary.

483

: 00:20:24

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

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: 00:20:25

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

485

: 00:20:26

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Ultimately, what I came down to was

486

: 00:20:27

there's a lot of mysteries and there's

a lot that like, we're just never going

487

: 00:20:32

to understand God's ways until, you

know, we're in the fullness of eternity.

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: 00:20:38

And like, even that point of like,

well, it took this long to, To make

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: 00:20:42

Mary kind of what I've been reflecting

on is like, well, in the end, God is

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: 00:20:46

God and he could have chosen whatever.

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: 00:20:47

I mean, he could have made the perfect

people earlier to give birth to Mary,

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: 00:20:52

but in the end, like it just continually

shows like he does not change us to

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: 00:20:58

be at his level, but he constantly.

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: 00:21:01

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yes.

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: 00:21:02

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: In his

patience, like comes down to our level

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: 00:21:05

and waits for us to be ready, waits for in

our humanity to get to that point, right.

497

: 00:21:11

To develop historically certain

things for, you know, the certain

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: 00:21:15

people to come into place.

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: 00:21:16

And he doesn't rush us.

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: 00:21:19

And he just like, it comes down

to us in so many different ways.

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: 00:21:22

So that's kind of where I'm at right now.

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: 00:21:25

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Great point, Mari.

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: 00:21:26

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: I'm

just going to fly to Nebraska soon.

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: 00:21:28

So we could just have the

full conversation because we

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: 00:21:30

literally, We literally went to

bed at like one in the morning.

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: 00:21:33

We talked about this for like two hours.

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: 00:21:35

And Trey was like, where were you when

you were a missionary for two years?

508

: 00:21:39

Like we went through

the story of salvation.

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: 00:21:41

I was like, yeah,

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: 00:21:44

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Mari?

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: 00:21:44

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

I feel that totally.

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: 00:21:47

Okay.

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: 00:21:47

All right.

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: 00:21:49

To stay on the scripture

theological train,

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: 00:21:53

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Mm hmm.

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: 00:21:54

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: does

God in the old Testament seem less

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: 00:21:56

patient and less loving and more angry?

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: 00:21:59

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Yeah, that's a good question.

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: 00:22:01

That's the one I get a lot as a priest

is, you know, the old Testament,

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: 00:22:04

God seems really like violent and

vindictive and all of those things.

521

: 00:22:08

And then Jesus is just so nice and he's

just so gentle, you know, that's a lot

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: 00:22:12

of ways that people throw it out there.

523

: 00:22:14

Um, you know, I would say that in the old

Testament, Um, the Lord is dealing, as he

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: 00:22:20

puts it, with a very stiff necked people.

525

: 00:22:22

I mean, the people are just like

wrapped in sin and they are just

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: 00:22:25

to it and they're just running

their heads against a brick wall.

527

: 00:22:29

And so the Lord is having to deal with

them a little sterner, quite honestly.

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: 00:22:33

And he's dealing with it.

529

: 00:22:35

You have to understand the whole story.

530

: 00:22:36

It's like, There's all of these different

tribes, all these different nations, and

531

: 00:22:39

this just tiny little one, Israel, is

where salvation is going to come from.

532

: 00:22:44

So God is like, jealously

trying to defend Israel.

533

: 00:22:47

Like, I have to defend this little tiny

nation, so that I can save the world.

534

: 00:22:52

so like, the other nations that

come and attack this little

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: 00:22:54

tiny nation, God is like, okay.

536

: 00:22:56

gotta like take care of them.

537

: 00:22:57

And when Israel is like acting the

fool, he's like, all right, well,

538

: 00:23:01

I got to take care of you too.

539

: 00:23:02

And it's just like, God is constantly

dealing with these children that

540

: 00:23:06

are quite frankly just kind of

brats and are just stuck in sin.

541

: 00:23:10

And so he is more firm, but it also

comes into that answer of in the

542

: 00:23:14

fullness of time, God sent his son

and Pope Francis just has, thought

543

: 00:23:19

had the most lovely way of putting it.

544

: 00:23:20

He said that Jesus Christ is

the face of the father's mercy.

545

: 00:23:25

So it's like, there actually is no

difference between what we see in the

546

: 00:23:27

Old Testament and the New Testament.

547

: 00:23:29

It's the same God.

548

: 00:23:30

Jesus is just the face

of the Father's mercy.

549

: 00:23:33

perhaps in the Old Testament we saw more

of the Lord's justice, we especially

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: 00:23:38

see His mercy in the New Testament.

551

: 00:23:39

So, again, it's a little bit mysterious.

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: 00:23:42

There's also an element of, within the

scriptures, there's a, Like a literary

553

: 00:23:46

style that's being written to, know,

they're writing in the way that they

554

: 00:23:50

understand that they're writing in

a way that is also showing God to

555

: 00:23:53

be the protector, to be the father,

the one that's like caring for the

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: 00:23:56

nation and we'll like, again, it's

just taking care of this tiny little

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: 00:23:59

nation, but in doing so in huge ways.

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: 00:24:01

So all of that, I think comes into play.

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: 00:24:05

Okay.

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: 00:24:06

Okay.

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: 00:24:08

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Uh, okay.

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: 00:24:09

We have a couple questions that

I feel like pertain to like

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: 00:24:12

the pastoral side of your, your

Role your life, um, as a priest.

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: 00:24:19

So first, maybe this

is pastoral, maybe not.

565

: 00:24:23

I don't know.

566

: 00:24:25

We have some on confession

that I'm going to get to.

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: 00:24:26

I just mean like things that go

under your job description as

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: 00:24:30

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: life.

569

: 00:24:31

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

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: 00:24:31

Specifically to a priestly life.

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: 00:24:33

One, what is going through your

mind at the moment of consecration

572

: 00:24:37

when you're holding Jesus?

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: 00:24:39

Try not to cry, Father.

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: 00:24:41

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: I,

um, you know, when it comes time for

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: 00:24:43

the consecration and I lift up our Lord,

I'm like offering him to the father.

576

: 00:24:48

it's like a great, I'm

praying to the father.

577

: 00:24:51

I'm saying like, father received the

heart of your son what I'm praying.

578

: 00:24:54

Like father, here's this

heart that you've given to us.

579

: 00:24:58

And I pray that you receive it

and you give it right back and

580

: 00:25:01

that we can live with this heart.

581

: 00:25:02

So it has, it's very much like

a conversation with the father

582

: 00:25:05

about what I'm holding or who

I'm holding, which is Jesus.

583

: 00:25:09

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

584

: 00:25:09

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

every once in a while, something

585

: 00:25:10

else will come in, but in general,

that's kind of what I go back to.

586

: 00:25:14

Um, now as a priest, It's

I'm like anybody else.

587

: 00:25:18

I'm trying to stay

attentive during mass too.

588

: 00:25:20

Like there's distractions.

589

: 00:25:21

I have things that happen before and

after mass and so even during the

590

: 00:25:25

consecration I'm trying to stay locked in

but distractions are a very real thing.

591

: 00:25:29

So if you get distracted

in mass, hey, guess what?

592

: 00:25:31

Your priest does too.

593

: 00:25:32

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Whoa.

594

: 00:25:33

I've never heard that.

595

: 00:25:35

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: yeah.

596

: 00:25:36

I'll tell you what.

597

: 00:25:37

I can't tell you the kind of things

I've thought about during mass.

598

: 00:25:39

I'm like Oh, where did that come from?

599

: 00:25:42

Like the weakness of man.

600

: 00:25:44

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

You're like, lock in.

601

: 00:25:45

Lock in.

602

: 00:25:46

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I'm like, I'm like, well,

603

: 00:25:47

the Huskers win this weekend.

604

: 00:25:48

I don't know.

605

: 00:25:49

Behold the lamb.

606

: 00:25:50

Oh wait, just a second.

607

: 00:25:50

Sorry.

608

: 00:25:51

Behold the lamb of God.

609

: 00:25:52

You know, like trying to stay focused

610

: 00:25:55

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

It's so human, it's so human.

611

: 00:25:58

This is a funny one.

612

: 00:25:59

Um, do priests judge you if you

accidentally lick them when they

613

: 00:26:03

give you communion on the tongue?

614

: 00:26:04

Very important question.

615

: 00:26:06

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

You know what?

616

: 00:26:06

Like it's the priest's fault.

617

: 00:26:07

You should judge the priest.

618

: 00:26:08

If you like him,

619

: 00:26:09

if you are constantly like licking

the priest, that's not your fault.

620

: 00:26:13

That's the priest's fault.

621

: 00:26:14

The priest should be giving

communion in such a way that you're

622

: 00:26:16

not having any kind of contact.

623

: 00:26:19

So I feel very strongly about this.

624

: 00:26:21

Now there's certain people that

just are like, um, they're like,

625

: 00:26:26

um, I don't know how to put it.

626

: 00:26:28

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Like the coin slot

627

: 00:26:29

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

like, they bite, they bite.

628

: 00:26:31

Like you hold out the Eucharist

and they're like, and I'm like, no.

629

: 00:26:34

Chill, like the Lord is coming

to you, just receive him that

630

: 00:26:38

you don't, I mean, it's just

631

: 00:26:41

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

for everybody.

632

: 00:26:43

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: the

reception of communion, it constantly

633

: 00:26:45

baffles me how humble our Lord is.

634

: 00:26:48

I'm like, how this is the

way you chose and it is.

635

: 00:26:51

And I'm like, you are so humble.

636

: 00:26:53

Like one, I'm the one that's giving

people you, which is already humbling.

637

: 00:26:57

But then like the way

people receive you too.

638

: 00:27:00

I'm like, Oh man,

639

: 00:27:02

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Okay.

640

: 00:27:02

Let's talk about that a

little bit, because I used to

641

: 00:27:05

always receive on the hand.

642

: 00:27:06

And then I think it was actually

a conversation I had with you once

643

: 00:27:10

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Oh

644

: 00:27:11

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: where

I converted to receiving on the tongue.

645

: 00:27:13

So

646

: 00:27:14

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah,

647

: 00:27:15

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: opinion

on, or like, what's the difference between

648

: 00:27:17

receiving on the hand and the tongue?

649

: 00:27:18

And why would you prefer one?

650

: 00:27:21

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

651

: 00:27:22

Well, in the United States, I

mean, both are offered, like you

652

: 00:27:24

can receive on the tongue, you can

receive on the hand, you can receive

653

: 00:27:27

standing, you can receive kneeling.

654

: 00:27:28

So you have a lot of options.

655

: 00:27:30

All of them are valid.

656

: 00:27:31

You know, if you go places where

they tell you that's not, You know,

657

: 00:27:34

they're, they're probably not correct.

658

: 00:27:35

Like all of those are

valid options of receiving.

659

: 00:27:38

Um, yeah, for myself, you know, I, I

do prefer receiving on the tongue and

660

: 00:27:43

it's just because I think it's such a

place of vulnerability and receptivity.

661

: 00:27:49

It's like you're before the Lord

and your hands aren't touching him.

662

: 00:27:52

I mean, when you're receiving on the

hand, which can be so beautiful, but

663

: 00:27:56

there's also an element of control.

664

: 00:27:58

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Okay.

665

: 00:27:58

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

You know, like I'm reaching down

666

: 00:27:59

and I'm picking up the Lord and I

had control of the Lord entering me.

667

: 00:28:03

But when you're receiving on the tongue,

it's like you're presenting yourself

668

: 00:28:06

and you're like, Lord, I yield all

control to you and I think there's

669

: 00:28:09

something kind of beautiful about that

670

: 00:28:10

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Wow.

671

: 00:28:10

I never heard it that way.

672

: 00:28:12

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: on

the hand and I'm not saying you don't.

673

: 00:28:15

Love the Lord.

674

: 00:28:15

You're not receiving him reverently.

675

: 00:28:16

That's not what I'm saying at all, because

you're very much allowed to do that.

676

: 00:28:19

And you're allowed to do that

for a reason because it is a

677

: 00:28:21

good way to receive the Lord.

678

: 00:28:23

But I just think receiving on the tongue

just adds a number of different to to

679

: 00:28:28

consider, um, how our Lord comes to us.

680

: 00:28:31

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

681

: 00:28:32

I mean, what converted me to the

reception on the tongue was the concept

682

: 00:28:37

of receiving on the tongue is it's a

posture of receptivity and I'm receiving

683

: 00:28:43

the Lord as opposed to like grasping.

684

: 00:28:45

At the Lord.

685

: 00:28:46

And, uh, yeah, you might not be

grasping at the Lord when you're

686

: 00:28:49

seeing me on the hand, but it's just

that, that posture is different.

687

: 00:28:53

Uh, and yeah, I really changed my heart

and I felt like I, I am more reverent

688

: 00:28:59

towards God when I'm on my knees,

receiving on the tongue, then standing.

689

: 00:29:03

So I just feel more reverent

and posture is huge.

690

: 00:29:05

Like that's why we have all the,

691

: 00:29:07

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

692

: 00:29:08

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

and downs during mass is because

693

: 00:29:10

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: It's

694

: 00:29:10

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: like our

physical body is the way we worship too.

695

: 00:29:14

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

696

: 00:29:14

And I do, I do like, um, You know,

kneeling to receive community, but

697

: 00:29:18

also just in general, because, uh,

you know, ancient like medieval art

698

: 00:29:23

would depict Satan without any knees.

699

: 00:29:27

It was just super interesting.

700

: 00:29:28

And the reason they would, because

Satan doesn't have any humility.

701

: 00:29:30

He can't be.

702

: 00:29:31

So I do prefer that, but I said,

when people come to mass and they're

703

: 00:29:35

standing there receiving on the

hands, I'm not thinking, oh, you

704

: 00:29:38

lesser being, like, that's, that's

705

: 00:29:40

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

of course not.

706

: 00:29:42

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: It's

707

: 00:29:42

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah,

708

: 00:29:42

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

but, uh, yeah,

709

: 00:29:44

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

no, I love, I love kneeling too.

710

: 00:29:46

And I, I love, and I think it's

for me personally, a more prayerful

711

: 00:29:50

experience when there is like a

communion rail and we can all kneel.

712

: 00:29:54

And one thing that I thought about

when I kind of made that switch too was

713

: 00:29:57

like, if Jesus presented himself in a

physical way where I could see him as

714

: 00:30:03

a person, if he was here as a person,

I immediately would drop to my knees.

715

: 00:30:07

Like that would be my , my reaction.

716

: 00:30:09

So then I was like, I, when I was

a missionary, like teaching all

717

: 00:30:12

these girls, like, no, Jesus is

actually here in the Eucharist.

718

: 00:30:15

I was like, wait, okay.

719

: 00:30:16

Jesus is like, I'm actually

receiving the Lord.

720

: 00:30:19

So why would I not kneel?

721

: 00:30:21

And you know, for me, I'm like, if he

was here and I could see him, I would

722

: 00:30:24

immediately kneel and be like my Lord.

723

: 00:30:26

And

724

: 00:30:26

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: yeah.

725

: 00:30:27

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

he is disguised in this piece of

726

: 00:30:29

bread, but it is still the same.

727

: 00:30:31

And so I was like, wow, like

I need to be kneeling in this

728

: 00:30:34

moment to receive him as well.

729

: 00:30:36

Yeah.

730

: 00:30:39

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

little heartbreaking, honestly, because

731

: 00:30:40

people will come up to receive and

they're just so flippant about it.

732

: 00:30:44

You know, it's like the body of Christ

and they're like, amen, and they're like

733

: 00:30:47

barely holding their hands out and they

just like kind of throw the Lord in their

734

: 00:30:50

mouth and take off and it's, it's sad.

735

: 00:30:52

I'm like, Don't you recognize,

like, what the pearl of great price

736

: 00:30:57

that you've just received and,

737

: 00:30:58

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

738

: 00:30:59

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I can fall into being lax in my

739

: 00:31:01

faith as well, but like you said,

trey, posture does make a difference.

740

: 00:31:04

And I'll give you props for this Mari,

like, every time you came up to receive.

741

: 00:31:08

You just have like the

biggest smile on your face.

742

: 00:31:10

And I think it was for Jesus, not for me.

743

: 00:31:12

I think you smiled at everybody, but like,

744

: 00:31:14

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

It's for Jesus.

745

: 00:31:14

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Christ

746

: 00:31:15

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

It's not for you, father.

747

: 00:31:18

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I was like, what could be both?

748

: 00:31:19

It could be both, you know, it

can be for Jesus and for me.

749

: 00:31:22

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

750

: 00:31:23

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

But yeah, so good job, Mari.

751

: 00:31:25

You got,

752

: 00:31:25

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Fakes.

753

: 00:31:26

Ha!

754

: 00:31:27

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

receiving.

755

: 00:31:29

It's

756

: 00:31:30

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: So good.

757

: 00:31:30

Awesome.

758

: 00:31:31

So good.

759

: 00:31:32

Okay, moving on to confession.

760

: 00:31:34

Do priests recognize people's

voices when you're in confession,

761

: 00:31:38

and do you remember people's sins?

762

: 00:31:42

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

763

: 00:31:42

Good question.

764

: 00:31:43

So I think every priest is a

little bit different with this.

765

: 00:31:45

I have met priests that

I think really have.

766

: 00:31:48

a gift of like, they forget everything

they heard in the confessional and they're

767

: 00:31:53

in just like a completely different zone.

768

: 00:31:55

I'm not 1 of those people,

to be honest with you.

769

: 00:31:58

Like, if people come to confession,

sometimes I can recognize their voice

770

: 00:32:01

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Mm hmm.

771

: 00:32:02

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: it is.

772

: 00:32:03

And will say this, though, when I

recognize that it's someone's voice,

773

: 00:32:06

and it chose to go behind the screen

because they have an option to go both.

774

: 00:32:11

when I, when that's the case.

775

: 00:32:13

I intentionally, like, tell myself,

okay, I'm going to treat this

776

: 00:32:17

person as if I don't know them.

777

: 00:32:18

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Mm.

778

: 00:32:19

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

even if I know exactly who you are, I'm

779

: 00:32:20

like, nope, they want to go anonymously,

I'm going to treat them anonymously.

780

: 00:32:24

And I'm not going to think, oh, this

is so and so, or something like that.

781

: 00:32:28

As far as do we remember the

sins that we heard in confession?

782

: 00:32:31

Um, I found more often

than not, not really.

783

: 00:32:33

I don't.

784

: 00:32:34

Part of that is because I hear

an hour of confessions every day.

785

: 00:32:39

So at this point, I've heard

like over 10, 000 confessions and

786

: 00:32:42

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Wow.

787

: 00:32:43

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: kind

of blends together and everyone sins.

788

: 00:32:45

And it all is like, it's kind of

like asking a garbage man, like,

789

: 00:32:50

you know, do you remember people's

garbage that they have in their house?

790

: 00:32:53

It's like probably not unless it was

like unbelievably like ratchet and then

791

: 00:32:57

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

792

: 00:32:58

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

well now I, now I remember.

793

: 00:33:00

Yeah.

794

: 00:33:01

And you know, but I am, I'm pretty

stern with myself of like trying

795

: 00:33:05

not to associate that in my mind.

796

: 00:33:07

And I,

797

: 00:33:08

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

798

: 00:33:08

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

be like, Nope, that's, that's

799

: 00:33:10

between the Lord and them.

800

: 00:33:11

That's not for me to think about.

801

: 00:33:14

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: So

staying on the topic of confession,

802

: 00:33:22

Do you feel awkward when

people confess sexual sins?

803

: 00:33:26

And what is the best way to do it?

804

: 00:33:28

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

You hear them a lot.

805

: 00:33:29

And so, um, I'm not going to say you get

this desensitized to it, but a little bit.

806

: 00:33:35

Like, it isn't awkward at all

when people confess sexual sins.

807

: 00:33:38

Um, I would say this is kind of weird,

but when people get too graphically

808

: 00:33:42

into detail, I'm like, you know, I

actually don't need to know all of that.

809

: 00:33:46

Like, you should confess your sins.

810

: 00:33:48

You shouldn't just be like, um, I haven't

been as chaste as I could have been.

811

: 00:33:51

Like, okay, that's not

really a confession.

812

: 00:33:53

Like, you need to say what you did.

813

: 00:33:55

Um, but you don't need

to give me the details.

814

: 00:33:57

Like you can strike a good

balance between those two.

815

: 00:34:00

So should never feel afraid of confessing

sexual sins because, um, everybody has

816

: 00:34:06

sexuality and everyone struggles with sin.

817

: 00:34:09

So it makes sense that everyone

at some level is going to

818

: 00:34:10

struggle with both of those.

819

: 00:34:13

this

820

: 00:34:14

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

is kind of on the same topic, but

821

: 00:34:16

the question is, uh, My boyfriend

and I made the decision to have sex

822

: 00:34:22

before marriage and now I regret it.

823

: 00:34:24

Is there a way for us to still

have a chaste relationship?

824

: 00:34:26

We want to include God in

our relationship, but don't

825

: 00:34:28

really know where to start.

826

: 00:34:31

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

827

: 00:34:32

What a great question.

828

: 00:34:32

Thanks to whoever asked this.

829

: 00:34:33

That's so good.

830

: 00:34:34

Um, I would say one, there's absolutely a

way for you to live a chaste relationship.

831

: 00:34:40

Like that's always available to you.

832

: 00:34:42

Even, even if you have been trapped

in sexual sin, even if you and your

833

: 00:34:46

significant other have been having

sex for a long time, like you can

834

: 00:34:49

still choose chastity, it might be

a hard door to close, which is going

835

: 00:34:53

to involve some pretty, probably

difficult conversations with each other.

836

: 00:34:57

also it's going to involve practically

speaking, just some boundaries, like

837

: 00:35:00

things that you were doing before.

838

: 00:35:01

You're probably not going to be

able to do any more in like places

839

: 00:35:03

that you're putting yourself

into near occasion of sin.

840

: 00:35:06

Gotta eliminate those, but I'm such a

firm believer in what I'm about to say.

841

: 00:35:11

And I talked to people in

marriage prep about this a lot.

842

: 00:35:14

Um, I just firmly believe that if, if

the, the guy and the girl go before the

843

: 00:35:19

Lord and they're like, Oh Lord, we have

messed up, but we want to start over.

844

: 00:35:23

Like we want to be virginal

on the day of our wedding

845

: 00:35:26

Hey, it's me again.

846

: 00:35:27

It cut out here.

847

: 00:35:28

And what father was saying was that he

firmly believes that if a couple go to the

848

: 00:35:34

Lord in prayer and Really seriously and

with a sincere heart and a sincere prayer

849

: 00:35:40

say Lord, please restore our virginity

Please restore Our chastity we want to be

850

: 00:35:49

Like virginal on the day of our wedding.

851

: 00:35:51

We want it to be as if it was our first

time we want to Uh be pure on the day

852

: 00:35:57

of our wedding He believes that the

lord firmly will answer that prayer

853

: 00:36:01

and almost like renew that virginity

within the people and within the couple

854

: 00:36:05

. fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Like I firmly believe the

855

: 00:36:06

Lord answers that prayer.

856

: 00:36:08

Like I think he gives the thing news,

the virginity, like help us to \ Turn

857

: 00:36:14

away from this sin and then make it

that like on the night of our wedding

858

: 00:36:16

It's as if for the first time we had

sex and then trusting that God who?

859

: 00:36:21

Sent his son to die for us who created

the stars who makes a little piece of

860

: 00:36:25

bread into himself can probably do that

861

: 00:36:28

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: And it's

probably like willing to and overjoyed

862

: 00:36:32

just as when you go to confession for

anything else, like probably willing and

863

: 00:36:35

overjoyed when you come to him and say

like, make me new, like in this aspect,

864

: 00:36:40

like, of course he would want that.

865

: 00:36:42

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yes.

866

: 00:36:42

He loves it when we ask for those things

867

: 00:36:44

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

868

: 00:36:44

This is where we can

get a little more spicy.

869

: 00:36:46

Potentially.

870

: 00:36:48

Do priests get tired of

the Karen church ladies?

871

: 00:36:51

I feel like I'm a young version of them.

872

: 00:36:53

LOL.

873

: 00:36:55

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Oh

874

: 00:36:55

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

I don't know who asked

875

: 00:36:56

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: funny.

876

: 00:36:57

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: this,

but I love that they identified with

877

: 00:36:59

them and yet felt the need to ask it too.

878

: 00:37:03

I mean, your, your experience as

a priest is a little bit different

879

: 00:37:05

being at a college campus.

880

: 00:37:07

True.

881

: 00:37:08

So answer what you can.

882

: 00:37:10

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yeah.

883

: 00:37:11

Yeah, exactly.

884

: 00:37:11

I do.

885

: 00:37:12

I primarily serve people that are

between the ages of like 18 and 25.

886

: 00:37:16

So we don't really have

like Karens as much.

887

: 00:37:18

Maybe we have young Karens.

888

: 00:37:19

I'm not really sure, but

do we ever get bothered?

889

: 00:37:23

I mean, if we're answering

honestly, like absolutely.

890

: 00:37:27

The, the stereotype that's being offered

here is someone that is really pestering

891

: 00:37:31

and tells the priest how to do his job.

892

: 00:37:33

Who would enjoy that?

893

: 00:37:34

Nobody would enjoy that.

894

: 00:37:36

And so, yeah, that, that does get tiring.

895

: 00:37:38

But, I found this like the, the

church ladies or the people that

896

: 00:37:43

are really maybe difficult to get

along with, um, or just get annoying.

897

: 00:37:48

they are so dedicated.

898

: 00:37:49

Those are some of the biggest

prayer warriors in the entire

899

: 00:37:51

church, like the church universal.

900

: 00:37:53

They pray their butts off.

901

: 00:37:55

\

-: 2024

902

: 00:37:56

And you know what?

903

: 00:37:57

I love that we're answering this

honestly because I think like it brings

904

: 00:38:01

again like a level of humanity to

the priesthood and we all just need

905

: 00:38:05

to remember like priests are humans.

906

: 00:38:08

Like it's not like Jesus

that was human and divine.

907

: 00:38:11

It's like, no, you are

literally just human.

908

: 00:38:12

You experience everything

that everybody else does.

909

: 00:38:14

So let's just all remember that.

910

: 00:38:17

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

And you can flip the switch too.

911

: 00:38:18

It's like, my goodness.

912

: 00:38:20

Sometimes priests can be so grouchy

and sometimes priests can be so weird.

913

: 00:38:24

And, uh, do people ever get tired of that?

914

: 00:38:27

Yes.

915

: 00:38:28

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

916

: 00:38:28

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

still appreciate that the priest,

917

: 00:38:29

like is trying and you know, he is

bringing the sacraments to them?

918

: 00:38:33

Yes.

919

: 00:38:34

Does that mean that the priest

has to be like super weird?

920

: 00:38:37

No,

921

: 00:38:38

No.

922

: 00:38:38

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

he could probably

923

: 00:38:39

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

work on that.

924

: 00:38:39

Like, does that mean, you know,

I don't eat breakfast sometimes

925

: 00:38:42

and I get a little hangry.

926

: 00:38:44

that helpful for everybody else?

927

: 00:38:45

No, but it's a part of my life.

928

: 00:38:48

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Gotta eat your breakfast, father.

929

: 00:38:50

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: I know

930

: 00:38:51

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Okay, did you ever date or fall in

931

: 00:38:53

love before you became a priest?

932

: 00:38:56

Shout

933

: 00:38:56

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: I did.

934

: 00:38:57

I did shout out to the X's

on the, on the podcast.

935

: 00:39:00

If you're

936

: 00:39:00

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

out to the exes.

937

: 00:39:01

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

aren't, but shout out to the X's.

938

: 00:39:03

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

They're definitely not listening.

939

: 00:39:05

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Okay, fair enough.

940

: 00:39:06

Yeah, I did.

941

: 00:39:07

Um, you know, marriage and family and

all that is something that I was deeply

942

: 00:39:12

attracted to and something that I'm

like, yeah, I would absolutely want that.

943

: 00:39:15

And that's really where I thought

my life was going to go was to

944

: 00:39:17

get married and have children.

945

: 00:39:18

And so, um, I was definitely dating

and discerning that and wanted that.

946

: 00:39:23

And the call of God came in where

the Lord was saying, I formed your

947

: 00:39:27

heart for something different.

948

: 00:39:28

And I'm going to give you

intimacy in a different way.

949

: 00:39:30

And I'm going to give you

spousal love in a different way.

950

: 00:39:32

And I'm going to give you

fatherhood in a different way.

951

: 00:39:34

So, um, so I'm really grateful for

those experiences of dating and

952

: 00:39:38

discerning marriage and falling in love.

953

: 00:39:41

Um, but I'm also really grateful that the

Lord called me to something different.

954

: 00:39:45

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Yeah, we're grateful for that too.

955

: 00:39:48

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: Yes.

956

: 00:39:49

Yes,

957

: 00:39:49

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

Very grateful.

958

: 00:39:51

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Yeah, it is funny.

959

: 00:39:53

I'll say this, um, little spicy.

960

: 00:39:56

uh, I live in Lincoln,

which is where I grew up.

961

: 00:39:58

And also where I went to high

school and like where I dated.

962

: 00:40:01

And so it is kind of funny, like when I'm

out places and I'm like, Oh, I remember

963

: 00:40:04

I took someone on a date here, you

know, or you like see someone that you

964

: 00:40:08

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

You see people that you dated.

965

: 00:40:11

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: And

neither people, neither person really

966

: 00:40:12

knows exactly how do you respond to this?

967

: 00:40:14

Like,

968

: 00:40:14

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Right.

969

: 00:40:14

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731: weird,

970

: 00:40:15

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

971

: 00:40:16

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

of like.

972

: 00:40:17

What's it like for someone

that's like, Oh yeah, I dated

973

: 00:40:18

a person that became a priest.

974

: 00:40:20

You know,

975

: 00:40:20

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

976

: 00:40:21

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

than it is for me.

977

: 00:40:21

Like, I'm like, you're still a

978

: 00:40:22

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

normal human being.

979

: 00:40:23

Probably.

980

: 00:40:24

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

I have a collar and a mustache now.

981

: 00:40:26

So like, what are you?

982

: 00:40:27

I'm sorry.

983

: 00:40:28

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731:

A mustache.

984

: 00:40:31

Oh, that's funny.

985

: 00:40:31

I love that.

986

: 00:40:32

That was noteworthy.

987

: 00:40:33

I actually think I like the

mustache better than the full beard.

988

: 00:40:36

Not gonna lie.

989

: 00:40:36

Me too.

990

: 00:40:37

I like the mustache.

991

: 00:40:38

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

Thank you.

992

: 00:40:39

Thank

993

: 00:40:39

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: Yeah.

994

: 00:40:39

No, it looks good.

995

: 00:40:40

It

996

: 00:40:41

fr--alec-sasse_2_07-26-2024_154731:

compliment the other day.

997

: 00:40:42

They said it's giving Top Gun.

998

: 00:40:44

And I'm like, Thank

999

: 00:40:45

mari-wagner_2_07-26-2024_144731: is.

: 1000

00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:47,581

I thought you were going

to say it's giving Trey.

: 1001

00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:49,001

Just kidding.

: 1002

00:40:49,011 --> 00:40:49,051

It is.

: 1003

00:40:49,331 --> 00:40:50,011

-: 2024

Yeah, that's right.

: 1004

00:40:50,031 --> 00:40:50,531

That's right.

: 1005

00:40:51,031 --> 00:40:51,441

Trey.

: 1006

00:40:53,471 --> 00:40:56,681

-: 2024

it a sin to attend the wedding of an ex

: 1007

00:40:56,681 --> 00:40:59,501

Catholic or someone who's not Catholic?

: 1008

00:40:59,501 --> 00:41:01,471

What about a same sex wedding?

: 1009

00:41:01,481 --> 00:41:04,511

Those are two different questions,

but kind of on the same topic.

: 1010

00:41:04,511 --> 00:41:04,811

-: 2024

: 1011

00:41:05,241 --> 00:41:06,261

That's a great question.

: 1012

00:41:06,311 --> 00:41:10,161

And it's again, one that we get asked a

lot, know, so I think the question boils

: 1013

00:41:10,161 --> 00:41:13,341

down to this, if you have to baptize

Catholic and then they choose to stop

: 1014

00:41:13,341 --> 00:41:17,941

practicing and they want to get married

outside of the church the eyes of the,

: 1015

00:41:17,941 --> 00:41:20,131

So, it cut out again here, but what

Father was saying was that, When

: 1016

00:41:20,131 --> 00:41:25,471

there are two Catholics that have both

been baptized within the church, but

: 1017

00:41:25,471 --> 00:41:27,541

then they chose to stop practicing.

: 1018

00:41:28,081 --> 00:41:33,331

And then later down the road, they

married, um, in the eyes of, oh yeah.

: 1019

00:41:33,952 --> 00:41:34,729

the church.

: 1020

00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:39,319

It wouldn't be a valid marriage

because they are baptized Catholics.

: 1021

00:41:39,469 --> 00:41:42,799

So in the eyes of the church,

if two baptized, Catholics

: 1022

00:41:42,859 --> 00:41:46,729

are not getting married in the

church, then it is not a valid.

: 1023

00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:48,649

Uh, marriage within the church.

: 1024

00:41:48,949 --> 00:41:49,279

Okay.

: 1025

00:41:53,168 --> 00:41:53,998

-: 2024

Because they're supposed to be getting

: 1026

00:41:53,998 --> 00:41:55,228

married in the Catholic church.

: 1027

00:41:55,948 --> 00:41:59,338

so now I have to ask the question of, do

I attend this wedding that is actually,

: 1028

00:41:59,358 --> 00:42:03,588

I know it to be invalid, it might really

harm my relationship if I don't go.

: 1029

00:42:03,588 --> 00:42:05,298

And it's like, it gets really dicey.

: 1030

00:42:06,298 --> 00:42:11,818

Um, the sin would really be like the sin

of participating in scandal, like kind

: 1031

00:42:11,818 --> 00:42:15,598

of giving your affirmation, giving your

consent to something that is not right.

: 1032

00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:17,728

And at some level is not right.

: 1033

00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:19,998

Um, that can be the real danger.

: 1034

00:42:20,658 --> 00:42:24,898

I think the way that try to approach it,

and it's a, it's kind of up to everyone's

: 1035

00:42:24,918 --> 00:42:29,088

individual discernment with the different,

you know, dynamics of your family

: 1036

00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:30,468

and where you're at and all of that.

: 1037

00:42:30,828 --> 00:42:34,878

I think if it's like an immediate family

member, I think you, you should go.

: 1038

00:42:36,098 --> 00:42:36,738

because.

: 1039

00:42:37,098 --> 00:42:39,058

I'm just a big believer

in playing the long game.

: 1040

00:42:39,498 --> 00:42:42,508

Like, and the thing is, this marriage

could turn into a valid marriage.

: 1041

00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:43,273

-: 2024

: 1042

00:42:43,388 --> 00:42:44,598

-: 2024

through the process of the church

: 1043

00:42:44,618 --> 00:42:45,968

and what's called a con validation.

: 1044

00:42:45,988 --> 00:42:48,318

Get your marriage blessed is

how most people refer to it.

: 1045

00:42:48,678 --> 00:42:51,658

They could get their marriage

blessed and maybe they'll get

: 1046

00:42:51,658 --> 00:42:52,598

their marriage blessed because

: 1047

00:42:53,308 --> 00:42:53,978

Me again.

: 1048

00:42:54,018 --> 00:42:54,338

Okay.

: 1049

00:42:54,338 --> 00:42:54,678

Here.

: 1050

00:42:54,688 --> 00:42:59,538

Father was saying that you could make

an impact in this family member who

: 1051

00:42:59,568 --> 00:43:04,538

maybe doesn't have a valid marriage, um,

by just being a witness to them and by

: 1052

00:43:04,538 --> 00:43:08,088

inviting them, you know, at different

points in the year when you see them

: 1053

00:43:08,088 --> 00:43:11,768

or you discerning when the right time

is, um, you know, maybe every Christmas

: 1054

00:43:11,768 --> 00:43:14,658

you're like, Hey, like, have you guys

thought about coming back to church?

: 1055

00:43:14,668 --> 00:43:16,068

You know, like, why don't we go together?

: 1056

00:43:16,068 --> 00:43:18,508

Like invite them to go to mass

with you or something like that.

: 1057

00:43:18,508 --> 00:43:22,208

Just you're loving persistence

and patience throughout the years

: 1058

00:43:22,328 --> 00:43:27,208

and gently inviting them back to

the church, um, in the right times

: 1059

00:43:27,208 --> 00:43:28,848

and to invite them to go with you.

: 1060

00:43:29,108 --> 00:43:33,898

Maybe that persistence, um, could result

into something and could result into them

: 1061

00:43:34,248 --> 00:43:38,108

coming back to the church and possibly

getting their marriage validated.

: 1062

00:43:38,357 --> 00:43:39,917

-: 2024

every Christmas after that and brought

: 1063

00:43:39,917 --> 00:43:42,377

up like, Hey, have you guys thought

about like coming back to the church?

: 1064

00:43:42,377 --> 00:43:43,847

Like, have you thought about it?

: 1065

00:43:43,857 --> 00:43:45,147

Why don't you meet the father?

: 1066

00:43:45,147 --> 00:43:46,737

So and so he's not too weird.

: 1067

00:43:46,787 --> 00:43:49,487

Now, I think the further removed

you are, like, okay, I'm a friend

: 1068

00:43:49,487 --> 00:43:50,997

or a cousin or something like that.

: 1069

00:43:51,647 --> 00:43:56,337

do think you have a responsibility to

say like, Hey, actually, um, I, I can't

: 1070

00:43:56,337 --> 00:43:58,487

really, I can't participate in this.

: 1071

00:43:58,537 --> 00:44:00,177

It really violates my conscience.

: 1072

00:44:00,177 --> 00:44:03,252

And I think that you, you

have to do that the further.

: 1073

00:44:05,172 --> 00:44:09,002

Um, I just think you'll just destroy

you are but the immediate family member.

: 1074

00:44:09,072 --> 00:44:09,402

Um,

: 1075

00:44:09,702 --> 00:44:10,612

-: 2024

Yeah, that's hard.

: 1076

00:44:10,622 --> 00:44:11,782

-: 2024

When you're talking about, uh,

: 1077

00:44:11,802 --> 00:44:15,282

same sex carry to each other

can never actually become valid.

: 1078

00:44:15,712 --> 00:44:19,062

It can never actually be a marriage

that is right in the eyes of God.

: 1079

00:44:19,502 --> 00:44:22,292

Could those 2 men or those 2

women actually love each other?

: 1080

00:44:22,322 --> 00:44:23,032

Absolutely.

: 1081

00:44:23,412 --> 00:44:24,742

Could they have self gift for each other?

: 1082

00:44:24,742 --> 00:44:27,902

Yeah, at some level, but could

it ever actually be a marriage?

: 1083

00:44:28,167 --> 00:44:28,507

No.

: 1084

00:44:29,247 --> 00:44:31,967

And because of that, I think

that there's no like well founded

: 1085

00:44:31,967 --> 00:44:33,257

hope that this could change.

: 1086

00:44:33,947 --> 00:44:36,987

And because of that, you have to

make a, make a hard decision and

: 1087

00:44:36,997 --> 00:44:38,727

have some hard conversations and

: 1088

00:44:38,912 --> 00:44:39,292

-: 2024

: 1089

00:44:40,787 --> 00:44:42,447

-: 2024

And you know, our Lord, uh, He

: 1090

00:44:42,447 --> 00:44:45,877

was very clear in promising us

that the world would hate us.

: 1091

00:44:46,312 --> 00:44:46,702

-: 2024

: 1092

00:44:46,917 --> 00:44:47,867

-: 2024

uh, the world doesn't really

: 1093

00:44:47,867 --> 00:44:49,377

hate us, it actually hates Him.

: 1094

00:44:49,467 --> 00:44:51,417

And people are very broken and hurt.

: 1095

00:44:52,077 --> 00:44:56,332

we have to treat them with a great

amount of gentleness, but also can't, um,

: 1096

00:44:56,952 --> 00:45:01,012

compromise on what we believe and what

our conscience is telling us for the sake

: 1097

00:45:01,012 --> 00:45:03,202

of not getting some angry text messages.

: 1098

00:45:04,212 --> 00:45:04,682

-: 2024

: 1099

00:45:05,172 --> 00:45:05,582

-: 2024

: 1100

00:45:06,102 --> 00:45:07,142

-: 2024

uh, that's all really good.

: 1101

00:45:07,542 --> 00:45:12,672

And what about the group of people that

just, they're not Catholic, they're

: 1102

00:45:12,672 --> 00:45:13,812

just man and woman getting married.

: 1103

00:45:13,812 --> 00:45:17,092

They're either Christian or

non denominational or just

: 1104

00:45:17,112 --> 00:45:18,702

have like no faith whatsoever.

: 1105

00:45:18,702 --> 00:45:19,832

They're just having your normal life.

: 1106

00:45:20,257 --> 00:45:21,637

Like, it's my secular wedding.

: 1107

00:45:22,312 --> 00:45:23,582

-: 2024

Yeah, you should feel very welcome

: 1108

00:45:23,602 --> 00:45:27,622

to go to weddings of non Catholics

in whatever venue they are.

: 1109

00:45:27,672 --> 00:45:32,622

Um, to non Catholic Christians that are

getting married, the Catholic Church

: 1110

00:45:32,622 --> 00:45:34,052

still considers that a sacrament.

: 1111

00:45:34,717 --> 00:45:38,177

And, uh, even if it's on a beach,

like them getting married, giving

: 1112

00:45:38,177 --> 00:45:42,067

themselves to each other, because

they're not bound by the, the like

: 1113

00:45:42,067 --> 00:45:45,347

rules and regulations of the Catholic

church, cause they're not Catholic yet

: 1114

00:45:45,377 --> 00:45:48,097

people that aren't baptized, yeah, you

can definitely go to their weddings.

: 1115

00:45:48,107 --> 00:45:49,707

So you shouldn't feel bad about that.

: 1116

00:45:49,917 --> 00:45:52,667

It's just Catholics who should be

getting married in the church that

: 1117

00:45:52,687 --> 00:45:54,567

aren't that we have to pause and ask

: 1118

00:45:54,657 --> 00:45:55,117

-: 2024

: 1119

00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:56,077

Mm hmm.

: 1120

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Makes sense.

: 1121

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Okay.

: 1122

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This one's totally changing

topics, but I get asked this a lot.

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: 1124

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yoga as, as a workout, as a Catholic?

: 1125

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There's a lot of confusion around yoga.

: 1126

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: 1127

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Oh man.

: 1128

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Yeah.

: 1129

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This question.

: 1130

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Um, okay.

: 1131

00:46:12,407 --> 00:46:14,437

So here's the thing for

those that are familiar.

: 1132

00:46:14,437 --> 00:46:18,767

The really basic summary of this

controversy is, you know, yoga in

: 1133

00:46:18,767 --> 00:46:22,757

its most primitive forms has its

roots in Hinduism, like the forms

: 1134

00:46:22,757 --> 00:46:24,347

that poses all of that stuff.

: 1135

00:46:24,447 --> 00:46:28,257

And so even today it's like an

exercise for most people, right?

: 1136

00:46:29,027 --> 00:46:31,677

You can still use yoga

though, as like a form of.

: 1137

00:46:31,997 --> 00:46:33,357

Pagan worship, basically.

: 1138

00:46:33,367 --> 00:46:36,977

And because of that, um, some people

will caution, Hey, you're actually

: 1139

00:46:36,977 --> 00:46:38,467

opening yourself up to the enemy.

: 1140

00:46:38,477 --> 00:46:42,117

You're opening yourself up to the

devil by participating in this thing.

: 1141

00:46:42,117 --> 00:46:45,487

That's rooted um, a pagan religion.

: 1142

00:46:46,067 --> 00:46:48,857

So for myself, I'm like, yeah, I get that.

: 1143

00:46:49,112 --> 00:46:51,302

And I personally am not going to do yoga.

: 1144

00:46:51,332 --> 00:46:56,492

One, I'm not flexible, but two, it

also just like, it also, it gives me

: 1145

00:46:56,492 --> 00:46:58,442

the, the willy nillies to a little bit.

: 1146

00:46:58,442 --> 00:46:59,162

I'm like, I don't

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: 1148

00:47:00,232 --> 00:47:02,762

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this opening up, um, that business.

: 1149

00:47:02,772 --> 00:47:04,202

So I wouldn't do it personally,

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: 1151

00:47:04,807 --> 00:47:05,037

Mm hmm.

: 1152

00:47:05,037 --> 00:47:05,057

Mm hmm.

: 1153

00:47:05,092 --> 00:47:08,222

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not in my, like, top 10 things

: 1154

00:47:08,222 --> 00:47:08,677

I'm most comfortable with.

: 1155

00:47:10,627 --> 00:47:12,037

Opening up answer.

: 1156

00:47:12,037 --> 00:47:16,167

I'm kind of like in this world, I'm

allowed to get that in forms of exercise

: 1157

00:47:16,207 --> 00:47:19,967

that you don't even have to have to

ask that question at the same time.

: 1158

00:47:19,967 --> 00:47:22,937

I don't think you have to go

on a crusader campaign to get

: 1159

00:47:22,987 --> 00:47:24,157

everyone out of the yoga gyms.

: 1160

00:47:25,057 --> 00:47:25,587

So,

: 1161

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a good answer.

: 1162

00:47:26,367 --> 00:47:31,097

I think too that there is a difference

like if you are going to like a yoga

: 1163

00:47:31,107 --> 00:47:35,337

studio where there's like a yogi and

it's like it is a spiritual experience

: 1164

00:47:35,347 --> 00:47:39,567

that they're bringing in versus you're

literally just going to like your

: 1165

00:47:39,577 --> 00:47:43,097

regular fitness center that happens

to have like a yoga class where

: 1166

00:47:43,097 --> 00:47:45,087

like, it's basically just stretching.

: 1167

00:47:45,087 --> 00:47:46,687

I feel like there is a difference there.

: 1168

00:47:47,367 --> 00:47:48,127

Um,

: 1169

00:47:48,587 --> 00:47:49,057

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And you know what?

: 1170

00:47:49,057 --> 00:47:53,037

There's a lot of exercise facilities

that, they really get into a lot of,

: 1171

00:47:53,037 --> 00:47:54,377

like, new age stuff and a lot of,

: 1172

00:47:54,677 --> 00:47:55,157

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: 1173

00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:56,792

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and chakra healing and stuff.

: 1174

00:47:58,037 --> 00:48:04,057

Okay, father was just saying here that

these fitness centers that, um, are a

: 1175

00:48:04,057 --> 00:48:08,797

little bit more into the new age stuff

like chakra healing, harnessing energies,

: 1176

00:48:09,207 --> 00:48:15,027

um, stuff like that, that it is kind of

opening doors to, um, maybe evil spirits.

: 1177

00:48:15,027 --> 00:48:18,057

And so he was like, personally, I

think as Christians, we should avoid

: 1178

00:48:18,057 --> 00:48:20,727

those kind of, uh, exercise studios.

: 1179

00:48:20,767 --> 00:48:23,757

And then he's about to go into maybe

kind of a different alternative,

: 1180

00:48:24,117 --> 00:48:27,137

different alternative that we

can, um, look for as Christians.

: 1181

00:48:27,657 --> 00:48:29,337

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I think as Christians we're in great

: 1182

00:48:29,337 --> 00:48:33,917

need of conquering a lot of those

areas of our lives, like exercise.

: 1183

00:48:34,547 --> 00:48:36,777

It's like, we should have Christians

that are, and I know that this

: 1184

00:48:36,777 --> 00:48:41,407

exists too, there are like Christian

forms of yoga that's not yoga.

: 1185

00:48:41,657 --> 00:48:43,097

And I'm like, perfect, like, why

: 1186

00:48:43,132 --> 00:48:43,302

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: 1187

00:48:43,372 --> 00:48:43,572

Mm hmm.

: 1188

00:48:43,767 --> 00:48:45,657

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can just avoid this controversy entirely.

: 1189

00:48:46,222 --> 00:48:46,672

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: 1190

00:48:47,162 --> 00:48:47,462

Yeah.

: 1191

00:48:47,462 --> 00:48:52,202

I think one's called soul core in they,

they do it around the rosary or something

: 1192

00:48:52,212 --> 00:48:53,712

like around the mysteries of the rosary.

: 1193

00:48:53,732 --> 00:48:56,687

So super Catholic, super

Catholic stretching right there.

: 1194

00:48:56,987 --> 00:48:57,487

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you're right.

: 1195

00:48:57,647 --> 00:49:01,237

Or you can just take my workout routine,

which is eat a lot of cheeseburgers and

: 1196

00:49:01,237 --> 00:49:06,457

do pushups and watch Rocky and you never

have to worry about demons if you do those

: 1197

00:49:06,757 --> 00:49:08,162

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: 1198

00:49:08,162 --> 00:49:09,747

Okay.

: 1199

00:49:09,747 --> 00:49:11,877

Well, now that we're on the topic

with demons, I feel like this is a

: 1200

00:49:11,877 --> 00:49:14,317

really good place to talk about that.

: 1201

00:49:14,377 --> 00:49:17,847

Um, what would you say, this

isn't like an official question,

: 1202

00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:19,147

which actually surprises me.

: 1203

00:49:19,877 --> 00:49:24,167

Like, what would you say are some of

the top things you're concerned about

: 1204

00:49:24,177 --> 00:49:29,277

that you see, especially young people of

today, like opening themselves up to evil?

: 1205

00:49:29,617 --> 00:49:31,517

Like how can we avoid those things?

: 1206

00:49:33,247 --> 00:49:34,887

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Yeah, I mean, working with college

: 1207

00:49:34,887 --> 00:49:37,787

students, I actually see a lot of

this stuff, like a lot of kind of

: 1208

00:49:37,857 --> 00:49:39,237

paranormal activity, as they would say.

: 1209

00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:44,157

Yeah, I mean working and honestly a lot

of it just has to do with practices of the

: 1210

00:49:44,157 --> 00:49:50,587

occult or new age things and a Ouija board

seems really fun It's like a cool party

: 1211

00:49:50,587 --> 00:49:52,877

trick right until the demon shows up.

: 1212

00:49:52,947 --> 00:49:54,417

Like I've literally gone to

: 1213

00:49:55,257 --> 00:49:58,237

So it literally cut out here again,

this is what I'm seeing you guys,

: 1214

00:49:58,267 --> 00:50:01,667

like right when we're talking about

Ouija boards and new age practices

: 1215

00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:03,347

and occult practices, like, come on.

: 1216

00:50:04,037 --> 00:50:08,807

Um, father was saying that he's literally

gone to different, uh, college homes or

: 1217

00:50:08,807 --> 00:50:13,617

fraternities or sororities where students

have come to him saying like there are

: 1218

00:50:13,637 --> 00:50:17,167

people in the house or a roommate or

somebody that lives right above them or

: 1219

00:50:17,167 --> 00:50:22,117

something that they know does this whole

Ouija board thing a lot or has just kind

: 1220

00:50:22,117 --> 00:50:27,417

of like, you know, weird occult practices

that go on in there, um, and there's

: 1221

00:50:27,417 --> 00:50:28,627

weird things happening in the house.

: 1222

00:50:28,637 --> 00:50:31,607

And so they've like asked father to come

bless it and all that kind of stuff.

: 1223

00:50:31,607 --> 00:50:35,557

And father kind of goes into

how as Christians, we have the

: 1224

00:50:35,557 --> 00:50:40,107

right to stand up for our beliefs

and our practices, just as.

: 1225

00:50:40,857 --> 00:50:43,627

Other people have the right to say

that to us, you know, and I think

: 1226

00:50:43,627 --> 00:50:49,617

it's very common common in today's

culture for People who maybe act in

: 1227

00:50:49,627 --> 00:50:51,247

the opposite way of Christians, right?

: 1228

00:50:51,257 --> 00:50:55,487

More a more worldly way for them

to be like Hey, like your Christian

: 1229

00:50:55,487 --> 00:50:59,307

religion isn't for me and I like

you can't expect me to do these

: 1230

00:50:59,317 --> 00:51:00,597

things Like I'm not a Christian.

: 1231

00:51:00,607 --> 00:51:01,657

This isn't my lifestyle.

: 1232

00:51:01,657 --> 00:51:05,342

I'm not comfortable with this With

all these things you have the same

: 1233

00:51:05,342 --> 00:51:09,002

right and have the same expectation

to be like, hey I'm a christian

: 1234

00:51:09,002 --> 00:51:10,992

and this violates my religion.

: 1235

00:51:10,992 --> 00:51:15,302

This violates My lifestyle

like please respect that and

: 1236

00:51:15,342 --> 00:51:16,932

like please do this elsewhere

: 1237

00:51:17,195 --> 00:51:19,455

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the same expectation for them Like as a

: 1238

00:51:19,825 --> 00:51:20,375

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: 1239

00:51:20,675 --> 00:51:21,525

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violates my beliefs.

: 1240

00:51:21,535 --> 00:51:22,485

So you need to change it.

: 1241

00:51:23,185 --> 00:51:26,065

one else has any problem telling us that

we should have no problem telling them.

: 1242

00:51:26,085 --> 00:51:31,065

So I would say those like a cult new

age practices are problematic, but,

: 1243

00:51:31,115 --> 00:51:34,655

um, honestly, the biggest way that the

devil affects us is through mortal sin.

: 1244

00:51:35,605 --> 00:51:38,485

Which is kind of a like fire and

brimstone answer, but it's true.

: 1245

00:51:38,655 --> 00:51:41,465

It's like the best way that the

devil can get ahold of you is just

: 1246

00:51:41,465 --> 00:51:42,995

to get you knee deep in mortal sin.

: 1247

00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:48,135

So that's in my top 10 worrying about

helping people overcome mortal sin.

: 1248

00:51:48,615 --> 00:51:50,505

Occult and new age practices are big.

: 1249

00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:53,740

And then I'll give you a spicy

controversial take if you want.

: 1250

00:51:53,835 --> 00:51:54,040

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: 1251

00:51:54,225 --> 00:51:55,020

Let's do it.

: 1252

00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,040

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all right, great.

: 1253

00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,030

So, you know, every year Halloween

rolls around and everybody loves

: 1254

00:52:00,030 --> 00:52:01,950

watching like super freaky movies.

: 1255

00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:04,680

They want to watch the conjuring and

all this demonic movies and stuff.

: 1256

00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:07,430

a big believer in like,

not watching those.

: 1257

00:52:07,765 --> 00:52:08,235

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: 1258

00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,020

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I like thrillers.

: 1259

00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:11,120

I like suspenseful movies.

: 1260

00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,190

I like scary stuff, but.

: 1261

00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:15,130

Um, here's the thing.

: 1262

00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,870

I don't think it's good for

us to be like entertained and

: 1263

00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:20,690

fascinated by the devil or by

: 1264

00:52:20,715 --> 00:52:21,545

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: 1265

00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,540

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here's the thing, like, our

: 1266

00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:27,040

intellect and our will are the two

sanctuaries that are reserved to God.

: 1267

00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,660

Like, God alone gets access to

those with us, but a doorway into

: 1268

00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:33,420

those things is our imagination.

: 1269

00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,740

And so the more that we're putting into

our imagination, especially demonic

: 1270

00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:40,580

things is the more like Plato material

that the devil has to use against us.

: 1271

00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,370

if you've ever had just some like

horrible, like demonic dreams, and

: 1272

00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:46,430

you're like, where did that come from?

: 1273

00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:47,590

That felt so real.

: 1274

00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:50,550

A lot of times that we've

seen, and he's able to,

: 1275

00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:52,750

I cut again out here.

: 1276

00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:57,220

So what father was saying was that if

you've ever had these horrible demonic

: 1277

00:52:57,220 --> 00:53:01,560

dreams Sometimes they could be that

it's not coming from nowhere You know

: 1278

00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,310

if you have exposed yourself in some way

like he's saying to these movies or to

: 1279

00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:11,485

different occult practices You know It

opens a door, in a sense, for the evil

: 1280

00:53:11,485 --> 00:53:15,595

one to maybe, like, use your imagination

and enter into your imagination.

: 1281

00:53:15,615 --> 00:53:20,585

Um, so those dreams sometimes aren't just

nothing, you know, it might be evil at

: 1282

00:53:20,585 --> 00:53:22,845

work trying to torment you, in a way.

: 1283

00:53:22,905 --> 00:53:26,535

Um, so, I think that's kind of all

he was saying there, and now we're

: 1284

00:53:26,545 --> 00:53:31,665

gonna get into his big challenge to

just not watch these movies at all.

: 1285

00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:34,790

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I could challenge everybody demonic movies

: 1286

00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:36,550

because there's nothing for you there.

: 1287

00:53:38,205 --> 00:53:39,655

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And they're scary as heck, man.

: 1288

00:53:39,655 --> 00:53:40,715

I can't watch one.

: 1289

00:53:42,955 --> 00:53:44,785

I think, I think I've watched one.

: 1290

00:53:44,785 --> 00:53:47,835

I watched one when I was in high

school and yeah, I definitely had

: 1291

00:53:47,835 --> 00:53:50,715

nightmares and I was like, never

again, literally never again.

: 1292

00:53:50,716 --> 00:53:52,640

Yeah.

: 1293

00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,565

Yeah.

: 1294

00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,300

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It's like Jesus trampled the devil

: 1295

00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,430

underfoot our lady Like just don't

want to live in fear running like I

: 1296

00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:06,110

don't want to live in fear of him or

his minions And so like, why don't I

: 1297

00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:07,410

choose the things that are gonna help

: 1298

00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:09,210

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: 1299

00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:13,590

In the last few minutes, is there

something that you want to share?

: 1300

00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:16,950

Is there something that you're like,

I would love your listeners to know

: 1301

00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:21,160

this or that I think young people

should know, um, whether it's a

: 1302

00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,790

specific topic or something about their

faith or whatever is on your heart.

: 1303

00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:26,160

Yeah.

: 1304

00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,350

What would you want to share with them?

: 1305

00:54:27,685 --> 00:54:29,455

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Hey, in my time as a priest, something

: 1306

00:54:29,455 --> 00:54:33,755

that I've learned is I think the

primary way that the devil really

: 1307

00:54:33,755 --> 00:54:38,895

attacks people and the enemy is trying

to win souls over himself is shame.

: 1308

00:54:39,715 --> 00:54:41,585

Shame is just like the tool of the enemy.

: 1309

00:54:41,605 --> 00:54:42,305

He loves it.

: 1310

00:54:42,335 --> 00:54:45,965

And you know, guilt is I feel bad

about what I've done, which is good.

: 1311

00:54:45,965 --> 00:54:50,685

Like if you don't have guilt, you probably

get a Netflix documentary made about you.

: 1312

00:54:50,685 --> 00:54:52,245

Like that's, we should have guilt.

: 1313

00:54:52,275 --> 00:54:52,985

I've done something bad.

: 1314

00:54:52,985 --> 00:54:53,805

I feel bad about it.

: 1315

00:54:54,275 --> 00:54:56,725

Um, but shame is I feel

bad about who I am.

: 1316

00:54:57,205 --> 00:54:58,193

Not I feel bad about what I did.

: 1317

00:54:58,205 --> 00:54:59,465

I feel bad about who I am.

: 1318

00:55:00,105 --> 00:55:04,735

And, uh, the enemy just loves to dump

that upon us, like just cover us in shame.

: 1319

00:55:04,795 --> 00:55:09,615

And it is such an impediment to

our living in fullness with Jesus.

: 1320

00:55:10,055 --> 00:55:12,205

You know, Jesus does not

want us to live in shame.

: 1321

00:55:12,235 --> 00:55:14,715

And you look all

throughout the scriptures.

: 1322

00:55:15,097 --> 00:55:17,825

I mean, I'm thinking of like the woman

caught in adultery, and Jesus does not

: 1323

00:55:17,825 --> 00:55:19,455

want us to listen to a woman in John 4.

: 1324

00:55:19,895 --> 00:55:21,015

Um, those two examples,

: 1325

00:55:21,065 --> 00:55:23,945

like the Lord is coming to these

women that are just covered in shame.

: 1326

00:55:23,995 --> 00:55:27,965

So that's something I feel very passionate

about is like, got to call out shame

: 1327

00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:31,905

and attack it with all the fervor that

we have because it ruins relationships.

: 1328

00:55:33,335 --> 00:55:33,905

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I love that.

: 1329

00:55:34,445 --> 00:55:34,955

So good.

: 1330

00:55:36,835 --> 00:55:36,945

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: 1331

00:55:36,975 --> 00:55:38,535

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have anything else to say about that.

: 1332

00:55:39,405 --> 00:55:40,375

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yeah, that's good.

: 1333

00:55:40,675 --> 00:55:41,085

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: 1334

00:55:41,385 --> 00:55:43,415

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Um, let's see Something that's

: 1335

00:55:43,415 --> 00:55:46,825

helpful to know about priests is

that priests are just normal people.

: 1336

00:55:47,065 --> 00:55:48,365

You know, we have normal hobbies.

: 1337

00:55:48,395 --> 00:55:52,085

I, these next few days, I'm

going to go on vacation with

: 1338

00:55:52,085 --> 00:55:53,415

some other priests and just golf.

: 1339

00:55:53,885 --> 00:55:54,745

Like, I

: 1340

00:55:55,045 --> 00:55:56,205

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: 1341

00:55:56,785 --> 00:55:58,135

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I like to hang out with my friends.

: 1342

00:55:58,625 --> 00:56:01,225

I watched Cars the movie the

other day on Disney Plus.

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Like, we do normal things mostly, and it

was actually better than I remembered it.

: 1344

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I was like, I can't believe I'm

watching this right now, but

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good movie.

: 1346

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I think,

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He's the GOAT.

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So,

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feel like you cross a certain age

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and all of a sudden like the kids

movies become entertaining again.

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So, priests are just, uh, the

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most part, pretty normal guys.

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Like they're, they're trying.

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And, uh, we try imperfectly,

but we're trying.

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It is a beautiful gift.

: 1359

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Yeah.

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: 1361

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We wouldn't have our

: 1362

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faith without the priests.

: 1363

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Absolutely.

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: 1366

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Thanks, Father.

: 1367

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This has been such a good conversation.

: 1368

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Yeah.

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Thanks for We're going to

have to have you on again.

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Thanks for being our friend.

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Yes, I know.

: 1372

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I can't wait to see you

guys in person next.

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Maybe it'll be SEEK.

: 1375

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Are you going to SEEK?

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Oh Oh yeah.

: 1377

00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:48,590

I'll be at SEEK.

: 1378

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We'll see you guys there.

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We'll at least see you at SEEK.

: 1381

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Awesome.

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You want to close in a

quick prayer, Father?

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Oh yeah.

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the father and the son, the Holy spirit.

: 1385

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Amen.

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Father in heaven, we praise you and thank

you for your goodness, for your love

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and the ways in which you care for us.

: 1388

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And ask Lord that you just send forth

your Holy Spirit upon every person

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that hears this podcast and allow

shame to be ripped away from their

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hearts and instead to live in the

joyful love that you've created us for.

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And we ask all of this

through Christ our Lord.

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