4: How to Start Your Clean Living Journey | Jordan Lee Dooley

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Hello friends, believe it or not.

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This is episode four of ever be.

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I still get giddy every time I

start recording, because this is

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just a really fun dream come true.

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Um, today I have an

amazing guest on the show.

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Her name is Jordan Lee Dooley.

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I'm sure you're a fan already,

but if not, by the end of the

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episode, I know that you will be.

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She is a best-selling author

host of the she podcast.

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And she's a beautiful

Christian wife and mother.

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Who's passionate about

grace based holistic living.

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And I have learned so much about

clean living from her over the years.

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We're going to dive in and learn so

much on today's episode about what

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clean living really is, what are

some really simple, practical ways

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to get started and how not to let the

whole thing be really overwhelming.

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And just as big beast

that you can't tackle.

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It's all about starting small and building

onto it and having a grace based approach.

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So I can't wait.

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Let's get started.

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Ever Be Video Intro : Hey, I'm

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your host, Mari Wagner, and you're

listening to the ever be podcast

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where faith meets lifestyle.

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or a long time follower, I know

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Pull up a chair and listen in for

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insightful real life conversations

and actionable steps on how to claim

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the Full life God created you for

if you're a woman desiring to live

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a Christ centered life in today's

modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to the ever be podcast.

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Track 1: Jordan, welcome to ever be.

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I'm so excited to chat with you

today and have you on the show.

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I'm sure I've told you this

before, but I'm a big fan.

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I've been following you and listening to

your podcast since I was like in college.

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So it's been beautiful to follow your

story and to be encouraged by your story

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and having you on the show today to share

your wisdom with my audience is a full

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circle moment So thanks for coming on.

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

thank you for all that

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encouragement and support.

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I'm honestly so thrilled to be here.

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I love all that you're doing.

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So I'm ready to chat and just so

excited to serve your community.

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Track 1: Beautiful.

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So for my followers who may be meeting

you for the first time, can you just

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give us a little bit of your background?

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Maybe like what you do now?

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah, absolutely.

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So now I, in my spare time, I, uh,

when I'm not wrangling, uh, two little

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babies and toddlers running around, I

podcast, I write books, I share a lot

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of, um, really grace based, um, wellness,

holistic living, natural living, Type

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lifestyle stuff on, on social media.

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I love it.

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I say that I talk on the internet.

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Um, and that is really what I do.

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And I love to write.

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I love to speak.

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So that's what I spend

a lot of my time doing.

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I've actually been doing

that for about a decade now.

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It started with an Etsy store, ironically,

when I was in college back in: 2015

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So almost 10 years ago, and it was

really just a Christian Etsy store.

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And I did a lot of hand lettering.

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I did a lot of like scripture, a

lot of, um, I would make like decor.

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I made journals and a lot of things

that I would use, um, hand lettering

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and design for, but it was all

faith based and then that just kind

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of slowly evolved into writing and

storytelling and sharing more online.

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really have just done that for

the last decade, and it's kind

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of followed my own journey.

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It's grown and evolved with me as I've

gone from college student to newlywed to,

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uh, struggling with fertility for years

and being refined by suffering for sure.

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Um, and then now in my, you

know, journey as a, as a mom.

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So.

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It's just kind of grown up with me and

evolved as I've evolved and the Lord's

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just taken me through different seasons.

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But that's what I do now.

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I spend a lot of time on social

media, on my podcast, um, and

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I'm writing my third book.

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So, uh, I have a lot, a lot

of time spent doing that.

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Track 1: Oh, that's beautiful.

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I love the work that you do and,

um, especially love following you

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because you do weave in the Christian

faith into everything you do.

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So it's not just, you know, educational on

clean living and, you know, inspiration,

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but it's also all biblically based

and Christian based, which is the

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inspiration we all need in our life.

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's really kind

of been my bread and butter.

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That was kind of the, the foundation

of what I got when I got started.

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I really, um, I mean, we can probably

all speak to this in our own way,

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but I feel like in college is when

my faith really became my own.

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It was like, I was raised with it

growing up, but it really was something

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that became personal in college.

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And it was like, I was on fire.

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I wanted to share it with people.

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I want to share it with

my sorority sisters.

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I wanted to share it anywhere I could.

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And so that was really cool that at

that time, you know, social media was

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starting to become more of a space.

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I feel like blogging was still

on the newer side and it's now

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turned into a lot of other things.

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podcasting and whatnot.

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But at that time, you know, I was

just like utilizing that as an outlet.

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And it also naturally like

promoted my Etsy store.

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Um, and it's cool the way that I've been

able to, to utilize storytelling and

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also like biblical principles as the

foundation of whatever it is that I'm

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talking about in that season, whether

I'm, you know, in a season where I'm

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sharing a lot of my wellness journey or

a season where I'm sharing my, um, My

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business journey or whatever it might be.

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So it's always kind of

been the foundation.

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I always say a lot of times I think

on online, we tend to try to make

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Christianity or the gospel, um,

like a, a niche, like a genre.

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Like I'm a Christian fill in the blank.

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Right.

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And I feel like.

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The fact of the matter is like, if

you've been transformed by Christ, like

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you're a Christian, everything like

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you're so, so I had to kind of shift

from making it like, uh, if you think

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about like books on a bookshelf, right?

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We often think like, Oh, faith,

family, fitness, like these

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are all categories in our life.

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And

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they're all, if you look at them

as like different books, right?

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All different topics in our life.

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But I think the Lord really

challenged me in my work,

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especially through my journey with.

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Suffering and miscarriage and all the

things that faith isn't necessarily

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like a genre, or it's not a niche.

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It's actually like the bookshelf that

holds up all the other things in our

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life and all the other categories.

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And it just seeps into everything.

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It bleeds into everything.

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It's the foundation of everything.

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And so that's kind of the way

that I try to approach when I

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share, um, anything that I do.

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It's just like, it's all

going to be biblically based.

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It's not like faith is this

like little category of what I

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talk about, if that makes sense.

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Track 1: Yeah.

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totally.

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I love that.

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That's what we do here as well.

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So you'll fit in.

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Great.

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I know that people are going

to love this conversation.

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So let's dive in.

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Let's start real basic.

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Um, at least for me, clean living,

holistic living is still relatively new.

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I started learning about this maybe like

three years ago, but I didn't actually

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start implementing things until now.

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Maybe a year ago, year and a half ago.

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Um, there was a lot of, you know, buzz

happening on Instagram podcasts that

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I was listening to stuff like that.

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And I found it all very interesting,

but at the same time I found it really

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overwhelming and I wasn't really

even sure what it was really where to

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start.

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So let's break it down.

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Let's start real simple.

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What does clean living

really mean or holistic mean?

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What, how would you describe that?

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah.

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So I think those are two different terms

that are often used interchangeably,

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but I think they actually can almost

mean two entirely different things.

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So let's look at clean living

and then let's look at it

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from a holistic perspective.

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So clean living really just

means it doesn't mean like

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cleaning your house all the time.

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Um, it really just means trying to

utilize when it comes to your everyday

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products and the things that you are

putting on and in your body from like a

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food standpoint to a product standpoint.

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It's just trying to choose products

that have slightly better ingredients.

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A lot of our conventional products

Unfortunately, have a lot of questionable,

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potentially harmful ingredients.

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Some known carcinogens, um,

hormone disruptors, things that

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can really impact our body.

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Now, in the tiny microdose that they

might be in, you know, a counter spray,

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if that was the only exposure we had,

probably shouldn't be too concerning.

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But when you consider the fact that a

lot of these types of ingredients are in

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all of our personal care products or the

majority of, uh, personal care products,

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conventional personal care products, as

well as the majority of, um, Household

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products, the majority of, you know,

and then we're exposed to things in our

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environment that we almost can't control.

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There's just so many, um, different

exposures to environmental concerns

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and toxins and things that can

impact our body, our fertility,

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our hormones, our overall health.

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So clean living in a nutshell

is just trying to choose.

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Cleaner products, which is unfortunately

not really a very regulated term.

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So what might be clean to one person

isn't necessarily clean to another.

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So the idea in a nutshell is trying

to choose slightly better ingredients.

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And the reason a lot of these, we can

maybe get into the reason why a lot of

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these conventional products have maybe

concerning ingredients, but the point is.

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It's just trying to make better

choices and being a little bit more

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thoughtful of what are the ingredients

and the products that I'm using on

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a daily basis that I'm exposed to

and the things that I can control.

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Cause there's a lot of things

in our external environments

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that we can't control.

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So what's within my control and

how can I make slightly better

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choices to utilize products with

slightly cleaner ingredients.

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The holistic piece of the conversation,

again, very, very interchangeable, but

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I look at holistic living and holistic

health, not so much, you know, I think a

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lot of times you hear that and you think

like, kind of like woo, woo, you know, um,

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Just like all the hippie to be everything.

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Right.

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And that can be true to a degree,

but I really think, you know, when

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you think about holistic health, and

this is something I really had to,

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I guess, uncover and walk through

personally, because for a while health

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to me was I work out and I eat salads.

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Right.

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And then I was like, wait,

so why are my hormones mess?

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Why am I having, you know,

recurrent miscarriages?

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Why am I having symptomic

acne at age 27 or whatever?

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So it was an interesting kind of shift

for me where it's like health is so much

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more than fitness or lifting weights or

exercising or eating, you know, greens.

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Right.

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But that's kind of what

health culture pushes.

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That's what we see a lot.

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That's at the forefront.

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Um, but holistic health is a.

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holistic, quite literally, like

if you think about it as the whole

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person, body, mind, soul, spirit.

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So I guess the soul soul and spirit are

kind of the same, but if you're thinking

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about mine, your, your mental health,

your emotional health, your physical

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health, and your spiritual health, I

kind of had to realize sometimes some

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of the things we do to pursue health,

um, let's say physically can actually be

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harmful to us emotionally or mentally,

cause we're stressing out about it.

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Right.

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Or some of the things that we

might be doing to like, feel better

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mentally are actually hurting

our physical health or vice.

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So the idea is like holistic health

is actually pursuing wellness in all

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of those areas and taking a more,

I would say like natural approach.

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The way I see it is like, how can I get,

you know, one to 2 percent closer to

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how God originally designed us to live?

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Cause I think in our modern culture

of speed and convenience and quick

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fixes and magic pills and potions

and all the things that we're kind of

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promoted to or sold to all the time.

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And that's in our face.

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It's like, we've just gotten so far away

from like the, the, Basic fundamental

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design that God had in the garden, you

know, and so I think holistic health is

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like kind of trying to In the best way

we can in our modern culture without

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stressing or being perfect about it

Leaning a little bit back into wait, what

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did God create and how are we originally

designed to live and how could I maybe?

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Lean into that and try to get a little bit

closer back to that in today's world where

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we're just so far away from it So that's

kind of the way I define those two things

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Track 1: Yeah.

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I love it.

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And I love that you made the

distinction between the two things

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because I think you're right.

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It can be used interchangeably, but

some, someone might be trying to live a

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more cleaner lifestyle, but not really

going down like a holistic health path.

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So today we're going to dive into, you

know, dip our toes into a little bit of

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both because I think both are important.

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Um,

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but what really led you

to go down this path?

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I know you've done so much research,

um, and I've learned so much from you,

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but what really led you to go down

the path of research and implementing

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more of this natural lifestyle?

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

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You know, I would say what really

started it, I was kind of curious

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because I had struggling with adult acne.

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I was struggling with like chronic

cystic acne for years and I was

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like, where is this coming from?

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Ironically, if I look back, it was kind

of shortly after I got off birth control.

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I didn't really have a whole lot

of issues with skin or acne prior

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to getting on birth control.

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And then I got on that for like a

very short period of time when I

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first got married because my doctor

told me that was a good idea.

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And

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then after like six to 12 months, I was

like, I don't want to be taking this.

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Um, and that was interestingly

enough when I feel like things

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kind of like had a domino effect.

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So looking back, I'm kind of

curious as to like the role

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that played and it really made

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me rethink a lot of things on that.

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Um, but, and then I've really changed my

view on birth control as a whole since I

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was 22, but that's another conversation.

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Um, all of that said, you

know, that coupled with, I was

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a little bit frustrated with

what was going on with my skin.

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So I was like, Hmm, maybe I

need to start investigating.

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And then I just started having

miscarriages and I was young and healthy.

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And then I just stopped getting

pregnant altogether for a bit there.

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Um, and so it almost didn't make sense.

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You know, a lot of doctors

were like, well, you're young,

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you're healthy, it's a flu.

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And something in my gut was just like,

you know, call it the Holy Spirit.

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I was just like, Hmm, I don't know.

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I don't think so.

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Like this doesn't make sense, you

know, so I started investigating.

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I started working with

integrative doctors.

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I started, um, just really digging deep.

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This was back in 2019, 2020.

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And I feel like that's kind

of when things started.

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People, more and more and more

people were talking about this.

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I don't know if it was coupled with

just what was going on with COVID

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and people wanting to be more health

conscious, but I feel like in the last

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four years, it's become more of a, you

common conversation on social media.

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But at the beginning I was like

digging to try to find information.

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Um, but that was really what

kicked it off was struggling

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with acne and wondering why.

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And I didn't totally dive in at

that point cause it was annoying.

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It was an inconvenience, but it

wasn't totally disrupting my life.

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But then when I started losing babies

and I was walking through heartbreak

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and trying to make sense of what was

going on and also support my body, you

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know, just from a healing perspective.

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from pregnancies and losses standpoint

and try to support my fertility.

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I was like, Whoa, there's a lot of things

that I'm consuming and doing and coming

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in contact with and using every single day

that could be having a negative impact.

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Like, what can I be proactively doing

just in my everyday life, um, to

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better support my body and my body's

ability to support a pregnancy.

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So that was kind of what really

kicked it off about four or

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five years ago.

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Track 1: Yeah,

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no, thank you for sharing that.

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Um, that's tough.

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And unfortunately, I think that a lot

of women can probably relate to that

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more and more now.

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Um, and a lot of them don't really have

answers as to why or don't really know

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what's affecting it or where to start.

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Um, so

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what if, Yeah.

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if someone is, is here listening and

they're kind of at the beginning of this

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journey as well, I know when I was first

starting, I would hear people talk about,

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like you said, like, Like different

things that are affecting our fertility,

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our health, um, our gut, our wellbeing,

and it could be environmental toxins.

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It could be, you know, harmful

toxins in our products.

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It could be the food we're eating.

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Where should someone really start?

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah, I mean, that's the,

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that's the big question, right?

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Um, and I think the hard part is as

you start to become more aware, it's

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like, once you know, you can't unknow,

and it's really easy to get sucked into

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trying to control everything and fear and

feeling like you have to fix everything.

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And if you don't fix everything,

you might as well do nothing.

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Right?

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Um, I, and I know I struggle with that.

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So the best thing I can say is I say,

start with your first five swaps.

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Like just make a few healthier swaps

in areas that like, I think about

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the things that you use every single

day or that you're using most often.

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So for example, something I often

recommend starting with her that I

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started with is like deodorant, feminine

care products, those types of things

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that are coming into contact with kind

of intimate areas of your body and

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also in absorbent areas of your body.

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Um, and that you're using often, right.

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Um, and regularly.

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Um, so anyways, I actually have a freebie.

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I don't know if this is helpful.

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I can give you a link to it, but

if you guys want to download it,

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I'll, I'll make sure you guys have

a link for the show notes, but it's

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basically just, here's your first

five swaps that you can consider.

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And here's the ones I would

start with as a woman.

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And also here's kind of the process to

go through swapping in general, because

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I think it can feel like, Oh my gosh,

I have to like overhaul everything.

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When in reality, it's like, start

with the things we're using the

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most, which are most likely going

to be these four or five products

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that I generally recommend starting

with such as deodorant, et cetera.

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Um, And then once you've kind of

found your, you know, lower tox,

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less harmful, um, staple for that,

your switch, your everyday go to,

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then you move on to the next one.

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And I generally say like, it can be

really helpful to start with the things

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like your personal care products.

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So that's kind of where I recommend a

lot of people will say like your laundry

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detergent, there's not like a perfect

or right answer, but I think of like the

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things you're putting on your body every

single day, um, the things that you're,

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you know, even thinking about like.

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The things your food are

coming into contact with.

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So one of the first five swaps I

often say is like maybe eliminating

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like plastic food, storage

containers, things like that.

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So, um, just those, those things that

have, you know, really been linked to,

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you know, how they can affect hormones.

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A lot of them are, but what are

the things that we're using most

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and most often in our lives?

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Let's start with those.

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Track 1: Yeah.

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no, I totally agree.

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I've heard people talk about how you can

start with, um, switching out what you put

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in your body or what you put on your body.

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And I think, you know, both are good, but.

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I think for me it was easier to

start with what I put on my body

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because those are products that I

already know that I use every day.

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Makeup, skincare, you.

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know, shampoo, like stuff that's

literally going on my skin, on

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my body every day.

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And then I moved to cleaning products and

stuff like that and kind of moved from

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like, like my personal bubble and then

to the outer bubbles, like in my home.

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Um, so that, that's great advice.

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022: If

you think of like your home as like a room

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by room road map, I usually say like start

with the bathroom because that's mostly

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all the stuff you're like washing your

hair with, putting on your body, putting

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in your body, like all that kind of stuff.

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And I agree about the food thing,

but the tricky thing with like what

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you put in your body in terms of

like food, it is tricky because it's

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like you have to then, it's like a

whole different, it's not tricky.

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Not that complicated.

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But I guess my point is when you're

trying to do both at the same time,

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you're like, well, what I put in

my body is, you know, important.

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You can almost feel like you're trying

to learn and do too many things at once.

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That's where it's like just

compartmentalized and it's hard.

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I think as women, cause we want

to like, think about everything.

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Um, and I know I do that even now.

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So it's like, this is the focus for today.

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Let's start with that.

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And then we can actually like, feel

like we accomplished something.

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Cause otherwise you just kind of feel

like you're spinning your wheels, not

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like doing a lot, but not actually

like making a significant impact.

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So

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Track 1: Yeah.

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And that, I mean, that's

what happened to me.

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That's why I was learning about

things for like three years, two and

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a half years and didn't do anything.

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Cause I was like, well, I'm not

ready to change everything, you know?

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And now I just, I

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have a more like smaller approach.

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I have like my, like

three goals for the year.

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Like this is what I'm going to switch.

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And it's so much more doable.

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Um,

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okay.

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What is so bad about the

stuff in our products?

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Like.

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I remember when I first started

learning, I was very skeptical.

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I'm like, what are, what are,

why are these things bad?

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Why is everything all of a sudden bad?

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What are the things in them?

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Maybe, I don't know if You have a few

like ingredients or what their impact is.

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Like, why

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are these things bad?

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Go

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022: You

know, it's, it's tricky to like nail down

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in a really quick conversation, but it's

a really good, it's a really good question

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because I wondered the same thing.

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I was like, really?

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Like they're being sold on shelves.

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Like, would they really sell stuff

to us if it wasn't, you safe for us.

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But I think the thing I had to remember

is like, you have to follow the dollar.

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You have to follow the money.

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And pretty much everything that

you're trying to figure out is like,

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well, where's, what's driving a lot

of maybe decisions behind quality or

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ingredients or safety or all the things.

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And I don't think it's that any of the

companies or conventional products are

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like actively trying to harm anyone.

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It's that these, you know, https: otter.

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ai

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They're not actively trying to harm

anyone, but they are actively trying

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to increase and maximize profit, right?

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They're a business and

they're a corporation.

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And so a lot of times, a lot of the

ingredients that end up in products are

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the ones that are the cheapest and like

the cheapest to mass produce so that

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you're able to have high inventory, keep

things stocked and also keep costs low.

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And therefore a product.

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Profit margin high, right?

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The, the products that use more

naturally born natural ingredients,

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or even like there are synthetic.

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This is the thing I think in

the natural living world that

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people get really confused by.

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There are synthetic ingredients

that are not harmful necessarily.

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So it's not always like it has to be

like you picked up a rock from the

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earth and stuck it in your makeup

and that's what makes it safe.

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It's actually like there are synthetic

ingredients that are harmful and there

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are natural ingredients that went in

certain ways can be harmful depending on

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how it's processed and all of the things.

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So when it comes to like what makes

them bad, it's that a lot of times these

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companies that are prioritizing profit

are choosing lower quality ingredients.

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Ingredients that like, for example,

parabens is something that is very,

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like there's, there was actually

recently a study done and I found it

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really fascinating where when women.

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Um, switch to their natural or their

personal care products for 30 days,

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uh, and they just avoided things like

phenols, phthalates, and, um, parabens.

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Those are three kind of red

flag ingredients to watch for.

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Um, they saw a significant reduction

in breast cancer gene expression.

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It's like they measured before

and after that intervention of

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removing those types of products.

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So things like that, parabens,

phenols, um, phthalates, uh,

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undisclosed fragrance, which can

essentially mean fragrances is not bad.

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Like a product having a smell

is not what makes it bad.

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It's when there's a blanket term,

like blanket term fragrance, it can

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mean that there's 3000 ingredients

or potential chemicals that could

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be used to make that fragrance that

we don't know what they are because

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they don't spell it out on the label.

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Cause it would take up way

too much space in the label.

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So they just put fragrance.

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Um, and a lot of times that's like,

well, is it, Fragrance made with

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ingredients that are not going to be

harmful, or is it fragrance made with

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ingredients that could be harmful?

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So it's a big question to say what

makes them so bad because every

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ingredient is so different in the

potential effects that it can have.

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But a lot of these ingredients,

such as parabens or, um, undisclosed

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fragrances or things like that, uh,

certain preservatives, which is what

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a paraben basically is, it can have

endocrine disrupting, uh, effects,

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which means it's affecting hormones.

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Some of our, some are known carcinogens or

can be linked to carcinogenic properties.

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Um, some are allergens and irritants.

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Like there's just different effects

that these different products have.

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There's actually a really interesting

website that is specific to beauty, but

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it's really helpful for kind of educating.

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It's called the campaign

for safe cosmetics.

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And it helps kind of break down like, Hey,

here's why this ingredient is concerning.

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Here's what it typically shows up in.

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Here's products.

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You're going to see it in

most likely or most often.

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Um, so anyway, that's kind of a

helpful, uh, educational resource

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too, but hopefully that kind of

answers your question in a shell.

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Cause it's a big question that we'd

have to almost go through every

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ingredient, but yeah, examples

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Track 1: I know.

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

parabens.

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Track 1: feel like

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Um, I actually have a cheat sheet too,

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if that's an, I have another freebie

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I can, um, that basically is

like, here's kind of the 20 red

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flag ingredients to watch for.

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And here's like, I give like a little

blurb of like, here's why it's a red flag.

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Here's what you might, how it might appear

on a label might show up as like peg

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dash one or might show up as, you know,

methylparaben or different names that

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basically mean this is in the paraben

family or this is in the, um, you know,

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quote unquote like harmful preservative

family that you might want to avoid.

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So hopefully that's helpful.

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I'll, I'll, I'll

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include that too.

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Track 1: Yeah.

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It is.

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It is.

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And I know we could go into a

whole other episode going into

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every single one and what are all

the facts and stuff like that.

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But even just naming those few, I think

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is helpful.

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I was going to mention the cheat sheet

because that was helpful for me too, to

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kind of Like know what some of these are.

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And I think the biggest one that

you mentioned even to start with,

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that's easy to remember is fragrance

and that'll start knocking out a lot

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of the stuff in

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

And that's the thing.

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Like a lot of those quote unquote

questionable or concerning

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ingredients are often what are like

part of this synthetic fragrance.

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Um, so that's where it's like, if you

just kind of watch for anything that just

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says fragrance and the actual ingredients

and fragrance is not disclosed, it's

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like, eh, probably better to just avoid

unless they disclose somewhere on their

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website or later, you know, another part

of their label, what's actually in it.

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And you can look up what those ingredients

are and how they affect human health.

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Um, that's just going to be a really

simple way to avoid unnecessary exposure.

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Track 1: One thing that has been so

refreshing for me on your page, both

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when it comes to, you know, clean

living and your idea of like simple

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swaps and starting small or holistic

living, you just have this like grace

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based approach.

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I think in the wellness world, it

can get really overwhelming just in

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general, but also if you're going into

the wellness world with like a health

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problem that you're actually trying to

address and find answers for, it can

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: 00:22:41

be even more overwhelming because you

just see, you know, all these things.

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: 00:22:44

That you should be doing all these

supplements that you should be taking all

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: 00:22:47

these different types of, you know, eating

regimens and all this, all this different

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: 00:22:50

type of advice, but your page has been

refreshing and it's kind of a sense of

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: 00:22:55

like rest in peace in the midst of the

noise to be like, yes, you know, there

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are changes that you can, that you can

make, but it's okay to have a grace based

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approach and be patient with yourself

and know that it's going to take time.

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So what does this mean to you?

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And what can it look like for women

who are wanting to pursue that?

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squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

yeah, you know, a lot of people

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talk about 80 20 like 80 percent

of what you're doing is good.

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Then like you can have some

flexibility with 20 percent

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and I totally agree with that.

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But I also think, um, something

to remember is if you're, you

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know, living 100 percent you

know, conventional products.

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You've not made any changes.

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You've not even considered any of

this stuff and you've changed or

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improved 20 percent of what you do.

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2080 is still great.

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You know, and that's kind of

the, the heart of, well, behind

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what I share is like, what this

looks like and the capacity each

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of us have and the potential.

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: 00:23:38

The commitment each person has is

going to vary person to person,

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: 00:23:42

situation to situation, budget to

budget, circumstance to circumstance.

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And so I think that's an important

nuance to the conversation because

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I think otherwise it just creates

this culture of like shame, of like,

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well, if you're not doing it all,

you might as well do nothing, right?

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: 00:23:53

Or like, if you aren't doing it

all, you're basically doing nothing.

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That can be the lie we begin to believe.

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And we can think the handful of

changes or, you know, steps in a

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healthier direction we try to make is

entirely pointless because we can't

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: 00:24:04

change all this other stuff over here.

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: 00:24:06

Um, And I know for me personally, I'm kind

of an all or nothing person, especially

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: 00:24:10

when I uncover something that is like

eyeopening for me, or I'm passionate

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about something.

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And when I was like on this mission

to like fix my fertility and like

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fix my body and my hormones and

whatever was going on in whatever,

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in the, in my body internally.

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I think I just kind of like

went straight into the deep end.

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And so for at first, I

was very intense with it.

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And I tend to be somebody who like

reaches for control, and it felt

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like something I could control.

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It reminded me a lot of when I was

in college, and this is where I think

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sometimes it can become a very stressful

and even like an idle, um, a stressful

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: 00:24:40

thing and an idol because it reminded

me of when I was in college and I got

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really into fitness and I started running

and logging miles and nothing wrong

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: 00:24:46

with running and logging miles, right?

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: 00:24:48

That's like good for our

bodies to an extent, but it

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kind of became an obsession.

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I felt like there was a lot of areas

of my life that were spinning out of

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control or just not in my control.

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: 00:24:55

I had walked through a breakup.

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: 00:24:56

My grandma passed away.

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I moved away to college

for the first time.

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All of that was happening

within the same year.

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And I just suddenly felt like

there was, Um, like nothing I

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had really strong control of.

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: 00:25:04

And so I think fitness and like

controlling my calories and things

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: 00:25:07

like that became a means of control.

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It started with good intent to like

support my health and it turned

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into, I'm grasping for control.

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Flash forward a decade, I was in this

place of, or almost a decade, I was in

607

: 00:25:18

this place of no longer struggling with

control around fitness and calories

608

: 00:25:21

and those types of things and body

image, but more like my body isn't

609

: 00:25:25

functioning how it's supposed to.

610

: 00:25:26

It's got all this acne, losing babies,

like what the heck is going on?

611

: 00:25:30

And, and so I think.

612

: 00:25:31

unknowingly in my pursuit to

try to support my body better.

613

: 00:25:35

It then tipped from better

stewardship to obsession and idolatry.

614

: 00:25:39

And so I had to kind of reel it back.

615

: 00:25:40

And it was really humbling for

me because through my wellness

616

: 00:25:43

journey, I think I made a lot of, I

mean, I was able to clear my skin.

617

: 00:25:46

I supported my fertility.

618

: 00:25:47

I think it only helps my body when I

finally was able to carry a pregnancy

619

: 00:25:50

to have a lower toxin burden and

have made a lot of these changes.

620

: 00:25:54

But I had to shift to a more like,

okay, Lord, the Lord, you're in control

621

: 00:25:58

because, you know, it was really humbling.

622

: 00:26:00

There was a time where.

623

: 00:26:01

I kind of came to this realization.

624

: 00:26:03

I still had to have support from

modern medicine, such as blood

625

: 00:26:06

thinners and things like that in

my pregnancy to support pregnancy.

626

: 00:26:09

So that was like one of those

moments where I was like, okay,

627

: 00:26:12

I think all these healthy changes

have absolutely been beneficial

628

: 00:26:14

and helpful for various reasons.

629

: 00:26:16

My skin is showing that like there's

been a ton of benefits and I think

630

: 00:26:19

it's only helped my fertility.

631

: 00:26:20

However, This lie that I think the

wellness culture has started to make

632

: 00:26:25

me believe that you're in control

of your fertility and if you just

633

: 00:26:28

change all these things and avoid

all of these things, you will fix it.

634

: 00:26:31

Like, that seeped deep into my brain.

635

: 00:26:33

And then when I realized, like,

that's not actually the only solution.

636

: 00:26:36

Like, I still need some

support from modern medicine.

637

: 00:26:39

Not even that, because modern medicine

isn't always the solution either, it's

638

: 00:26:42

ultimately that God is sovereign over it.

639

: 00:26:44

There were so

640

: 00:26:44

many times in my

641

: 00:26:45

pregnancy where I had to make, and

in my journey, that I've had to make

642

: 00:26:48

concessions, or I've not been able to do

things as clean as I would have liked to,

643

: 00:26:51

or as natural as I would have liked to.

644

: 00:26:53

My birth, I was, it wasn't

as natural as I would have

645

: 00:26:56

liked.

646

: 00:26:57

And it was just like one act

of surrender after another.

647

: 00:27:00

So it's like, I think when it comes to

wellness and it comes to making swaps

648

: 00:27:05

and clean living and all these things,

this grace based approach really means

649

: 00:27:08

like stewardship in the best way you can,

but with a heart posture of surrender

650

: 00:27:12

because we aren't in control and we

don't get to like, we can make all the

651

: 00:27:15

swaps in the world and we may not get

the result or the outcome or the fix or

652

: 00:27:18

the healing that we expect physically.

653

: 00:27:20

Yes, our bodies are designed to heal.

654

: 00:27:22

I believe God made our bodies perfectly.

655

: 00:27:24

But this, this lie that you can heal

yourself if you just eat all the

656

: 00:27:27

right foods and avoid all the wrong

things and do all this, like, it

657

: 00:27:30

totally cuts God out of the picture,

even if we do it as Christians.

658

: 00:27:33

And so that's where it's like,

ultimately I had to come back to, He

659

: 00:27:36

is sovereign over it all, which means

that I can do the best I can with what

660

: 00:27:39

I have, where I'm at with my budget

and my time and my life and all that.

661

: 00:27:43

But if I need to make, like, just

the other night, it was like one

662

: 00:27:46

of those moments we had to, Order

carry out and it all came hot food

663

: 00:27:48

and plastic and I was like, ah,

that stresses me out for a second.

664

: 00:27:51

I had a moment because I try

to avoid eating hot food out of

665

: 00:27:53

plastic for various reasons.

666

: 00:27:55

And I was just like, Lord, cover it.

667

: 00:27:56

Like sometimes you just

have to release it.

668

: 00:27:58

And that's where it's like, if I tried to

do everything perfectly and didn't make

669

: 00:28:01

those concessions or those, you know,

not concessions isn't the right word.

670

: 00:28:05

What's the word?

671

: 00:28:06

Compromises.

672

: 00:28:07

Um, where it was like, this

is what we got to do for life.

673

: 00:28:09

And I got to feed my family.

674

: 00:28:10

And this is what we had to

do because we were traveling.

675

: 00:28:12

And you know, it's just like, I

think we can get, so the more we

676

: 00:28:15

know, the more stress we can get.

677

: 00:28:16

And it's like our, our intent and

our heart for being better stewards

678

: 00:28:20

can really quickly turn into

forgetting God or sovereign over

679

: 00:28:23

the details that we can't control.

680

: 00:28:24

And so that's kind of where I'm like,

you have to take a grace based approach.

681

: 00:28:27

You got to do what you can, where

you can and like celebrate the

682

: 00:28:29

progress and not aim for perfection.

683

: 00:28:32

Track 1: I love that.

684

: 00:28:33

That is a beautiful way to view it all.

685

: 00:28:35

And I think the way that we should

view it as Christians, because

686

: 00:28:38

in the end, no matter what we do,

like you said, God is sovereign

687

: 00:28:41

and he's in charge of everything.

688

: 00:28:42

And

689

: 00:28:42

this whole thing you're talking about

kind of reminds me of when we look at our

690

: 00:28:45

life and we feel like if we don't do one

thing, we're going to do something else.

691

: 00:28:48

The right way, we're going

to mess up God's plan

692

: 00:28:50

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

right, right.

693

: 00:28:51

Track 1: of a sudden we have

all this power to totally screw

694

: 00:28:53

up what God has in store, which

695

: 00:28:55

just isn't true.

696

: 00:28:56

And you know,

697

: 00:28:56

the Lord, like you said, like he

gave us all these natural things, but

698

: 00:28:59

he also gave us humans who are very

intelligent and that have made advances

699

: 00:29:03

in research that, that can also help us.

700

: 00:29:05

And so in the end, the Lord is guiding,

you know, every single one of our lives

701

: 00:29:09

and is blessing us.

702

: 00:29:10

And in the end

703

: 00:29:10

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Well, And the one other thing that I

704

: 00:29:11

want to speak to, because I think, and

if someone's at the beginning of their

705

: 00:29:14

journey or maybe somewhat early on, and

you're starting to uncover all of these

706

: 00:29:17

things, like parabens can be bad and

all this, like kind of what we talked

707

: 00:29:20

about, that's why I was like, kind

of hesitant to answer your question.

708

: 00:29:21

Cause I was like, I don't

want to create any fear.

709

: 00:29:22

But, um, you know, I think as you

uncover like, Oh my gosh, all this

710

: 00:29:26

stuff is in my products and all

this stuff is in our food and it can

711

: 00:29:29

like start to be really happening.

712

: 00:29:30

And you can almost feel it.

713

: 00:29:31

I'm sure you've heard this phrase

that people kind of nonchalantly say,

714

: 00:29:34

like, everything's going to kill you.

715

: 00:29:35

Right.

716

: 00:29:36

And I think people say that either as a

way to dismiss having to make any like

717

: 00:29:39

intentional changes like everything's

going to kill you, or it's like, Oh my

718

: 00:29:42

gosh, everything's going to kill you.

719

: 00:29:43

And you kind of freak out.

720

: 00:29:44

Right.

721

: 00:29:44

It's like one or the other.

722

: 00:29:45

It's two extremes.

723

: 00:29:47

And.

724

: 00:29:47

That's it.

725

: 00:29:48

I feel like the Lord really challenged

me to remember like, yeah, it is

726

: 00:29:51

because we live in a fallen world and we

727

: 00:29:53

live in a world touched

by brokenness and sin.

728

: 00:29:55

So there will, we could choose the

most perfect products in the world.

729

: 00:29:58

That doesn't mean we're

going to avoid death.

730

: 00:29:59

It doesn't mean we're

going to avoid sickness.

731

: 00:30:00

It doesn't mean we're

going to avoid suffering.

732

: 00:30:02

It's going to find its way toward

us or to us in one way or another.

733

: 00:30:05

We will be touched by the, by

the, You know, fall essentially

734

: 00:30:09

of mankind because we can't escape

that on this side of heaven.

735

: 00:30:11

And I think sometimes in our

effort to pursue wellness and to

736

: 00:30:14

be better stewards of our body,

it's like we're longing for Eden.

737

: 00:30:18

We don't wanna be touched by infertility.

738

: 00:30:19

We don't wanna be touched by illness.

739

: 00:30:21

We don't wanna be touched by disease.

740

: 00:30:22

We don't want our families

to be touched by death.

741

: 00:30:24

So we like insulate.

742

: 00:30:25

And it can almost quickly, and that

doesn't mean like we shouldn't do

743

: 00:30:28

anything, but we, I think, try to do

everything or, or the fear of like, oh

744

: 00:30:32

my gosh, everything's gonna kill us, or

everything's gonna cause infertility, or

745

: 00:30:35

everything's gonna mess up our hormones.

746

: 00:30:36

It's like, yeah.

747

: 00:30:37

It is.

748

: 00:30:38

And I think I actually felt more

peace in my journey when I came to

749

: 00:30:42

accept that, like not from like a

place of like laziness, like, well,

750

: 00:30:45

everything's going to kill you,

so I'm not going to do anything.

751

: 00:30:47

But instead from this place of like,

yep, ultimately I'm going to be touched

752

: 00:30:50

by disease and death and brokenness

and suffering on this side of heaven.

753

: 00:30:55

So the sooner I can remember that

and make peace with that, the more

754

: 00:30:59

like freedom I can pursue a wellness

journey from, because it's like,

755

: 00:31:02

okay, I'm going to do what I can

756

: 00:31:04

to like mitigate risk and support

my body where I can, but like.

757

: 00:31:07

I'm not getting out of this thing alive.

758

: 00:31:08

Last I checked the like death

rate was a hundred percent.

759

: 00:31:10

So if I can make sure I'm investing in

eternity as much as I'm investing in my

760

: 00:31:15

product swaps and the things that I'm

doing in my temporal life to support my

761

: 00:31:19

body, that's, I think the sweet spot.

762

: 00:31:21

And that's where we're able to do it from

a place of so much more joy and freedom.

763

: 00:31:25

Track 1: That is so, so good.

764

: 00:31:26

Snaps, claps all around.

765

: 00:31:28

I love that.

766

: 00:31:30

Okay.

767

: 00:31:31

On the, on the same topic of, you know,

Lord is sovereign of all, and we're

768

: 00:31:35

going to encounter suffering in this

world, you know, and keeping our eyes on

769

: 00:31:38

the Lord essentially is what we should

be doing in our life no matter what.

770

: 00:31:42

So why does this lifestyle really

make sense from a Christian

771

: 00:31:45

and biblical perspective?

772

: 00:31:46

You know, how do we see that

this is more than just a trend

773

: 00:31:49

and it really is something that

we're called to do as Christians?

774

: 00:31:53

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah, I think that that

775

: 00:31:54

answer is to part one.

776

: 00:31:56

It kind of goes back a little bit to what

I said at the beginning about, um, just

777

: 00:32:00

getting a little bit closer back to, you

know, Like really looking at like, how

778

: 00:32:03

did God design us to live and how are we

able to get a little bit closer to that?

779

: 00:32:06

How can we live a little

bit more aligned with that?

780

: 00:32:09

Be a little bit more mindful of

the things that we reach for use.

781

: 00:32:12

Um, simultaneously, I think the other

part of the conversation, as much as

782

: 00:32:15

this can become an idol and a fear

driven thing, and as much as we need

783

: 00:32:18

to keep a realistic, you know, uh,

surrendered perspective and heart

784

: 00:32:22

posture toward it, um, The reality is,

you know, I think about my, like my

785

: 00:32:26

life now as a mom, but this applies to

anything that you're being called to do.

786

: 00:32:29

I know that the mornings I wake up

from poor sleep, you know, don't eat

787

: 00:32:33

first thing in the morning and I'm now

hangry and tired and like overwhelmed.

788

: 00:32:37

I'm not the best me and

I'm short with my family.

789

: 00:32:40

I'm crabby.

790

: 00:32:41

I'm like more critical,

you know, things like that.

791

: 00:32:42

I'm frustrated.

792

: 00:32:44

Um, And so I realized like when

I feel like crap, just in that

793

: 00:32:47

like temporal short, like I

eat breakfast and I'm better.

794

: 00:32:50

Right.

795

: 00:32:50

But like in that micro example, I

think that's a micro example of a macro

796

: 00:32:55

reality that when we aren't taking

care of our body, when we're not well

797

: 00:32:59

rested, when it's, you know, when our

hormones are all a mess, when we aren't

798

: 00:33:02

nourishing ourselves well, when we

aren't proactively supporting our bodies.

799

: 00:33:06

And feel kind of like crap.

800

: 00:33:08

We are, we are not as equipped

to show up for our calling and

801

: 00:33:11

just steward our calling well.

802

: 00:33:12

So yes, we don't want to make it an idol.

803

: 00:33:14

Yes, we want to keep a surrendered heart

posture that God is ultimately sovereign

804

: 00:33:18

over the things we can't control.

805

: 00:33:19

But that doesn't mean we neglect it

altogether because if we do that,

806

: 00:33:21

we're going to feel like crap and

we can't show up for our calling

807

: 00:33:23

very well when we feel like crap,

we're not going to be very patient.

808

: 00:33:25

We're not going to be very kind.

809

: 00:33:26

We're not going to have those fruits of

the spirit as well as we could if our

810

: 00:33:29

bodies were well supported because our

bodies and our souls are so integral.

811

: 00:33:32

And I think sometimes as

Christians, we almost like.

812

: 00:33:34

separate them.

813

: 00:33:35

Like your body just carries your soul.

814

: 00:33:36

It's like,

815

: 00:33:37

okay, true kind of, but also

like they're like inseparable.

816

: 00:33:42

And so

817

: 00:33:43

the spiritual element is so impacted

by the physical and vice versa.

818

: 00:33:47

So I could be in the Bible every single

day, all day and be spiritually nourishing

819

: 00:33:50

myself, which is the most important thing.

820

: 00:33:51

However, If I physically feel like

crap, those things are going to be

821

: 00:33:55

like incongruent and misaligned, right?

822

: 00:33:57

So, um, I think it's really just

fundamentally coming back to caring for

823

: 00:34:02

the vessel that God gave you to carry out

your calling on this earth, whether that's

824

: 00:34:06

to parent children right now, to host a

podcast, to write a book, to show up to a

825

: 00:34:10

job and, you know, be a light there, like

whatever that looks like in this season,

826

: 00:34:14

how can you make sure that you're not

just like, Giving your body a bunch of

827

: 00:34:17

junk that isn't actually fueling it well.

828

: 00:34:19

And that's actually maybe

creating a lot of imbalance.

829

: 00:34:21

That's making it harder for you to show

up with patience, kindness, self control,

830

: 00:34:25

gentleness, humility, all of these

things that we want to, that we want

831

: 00:34:29

to like exemplify as Christ followers.

832

: 00:34:31

Right.

833

: 00:34:32

Um, so it's really just, if you look

at it from that lens, it makes it a

834

: 00:34:35

lot more, it gives it a little bit

more of an eternal perspective than

835

: 00:34:38

just, Oh, I just want to clear my skin.

836

: 00:34:40

Those things are great too, but really

what's the like heart of the matter.

837

: 00:34:43

Yeah.

838

: 00:34:45

Track 1: No, that's beautiful.

839

: 00:34:45

I love that.

840

: 00:34:46

Uh, we could talk about this forever,

but we're going to have to wrap up soon,

841

: 00:34:49

but before we go, can you share any sort

of resources or point people to maybe

842

: 00:34:54

where they can dive in to learn more?

843

: 00:34:56

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah, absolutely.

844

: 00:34:56

So the two resources I mentioned,

I think are great starting points.

845

: 00:35:00

They're like just freebies.

846

: 00:35:01

There's a ton of books and like

podcasts and things, but I almost

847

: 00:35:04

say like, start really simple

because otherwise it can feel like

848

: 00:35:06

you're just drowning in information.

849

: 00:35:08

I think Mari's giving a

ton of great information.

850

: 00:35:10

So she's a great resource too.

851

: 00:35:11

Um, but the safes or the first five

swaps guide and my label reading cheat

852

: 00:35:15

sheet, I would say, So those are going

to be great resources to not only make

853

: 00:35:17

your first five swaps, but also just to

be able to be a little bit more equipped

854

: 00:35:21

and empowered with knowledge when you're

at target and you're considering which

855

: 00:35:24

deodorant to buy or which shampoo to buy.

856

: 00:35:25

You can just check the back of the label

because I could tell you all the best

857

: 00:35:29

brands and all the things, but you have to

do it works for your budget and consider

858

: 00:35:32

what like is most important for you.

859

: 00:35:33

And also brands change, products change.

860

: 00:35:35

So it's better to just be able

to say, can I check these things?

861

: 00:35:38

So those are the two things I would

honestly recommend starting with.

862

: 00:35:41

If you just want a really simple, like.

863

: 00:35:43

Where do I even begin?

864

: 00:35:44

Starting point.

865

: 00:35:45

You're not ready to have

like a PhD in this stuff.

866

: 00:35:48

Track 1: No, absolutely.

867

: 00:35:49

I agree.

868

: 00:35:49

Start small, less overwhelming, you know,

869

: 00:35:52

small, small goals to do first.

870

: 00:35:53

So thank you, Jordan,

your wealth of knowledge.

871

: 00:35:56

I love everything that you

brought to the table today.

872

: 00:35:58

I know that our listeners are going

to get so much value out of this.

873

: 00:36:01

So where can people learn more

about you and find more of you?

874

: 00:36:05

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah.

875

: 00:36:05

So I have a podcast called she, so if

you like this podcast and you listen to

876

: 00:36:08

podcasts, you might like that as well.

877

: 00:36:10

Um, and then I'm also on

Instagram at Jordan Lee Dooley.

878

: 00:36:12

So you can follow along my journey there.

879

: 00:36:14

And also a lot of, um, podcast episodes

that are very, I say it's like grace based

880

: 00:36:18

wellness and biblical womanhood is what

we talk about in my show, which I'm sure

881

: 00:36:21

is very similar to what you're doing here.

882

: 00:36:22

Track 1: Yeah, it's great.

883

: 00:36:23

I listen to she a big fan, highly

recommend to go check it out.

884

: 00:36:26

And that's all we've got for today.

885

: 00:36:29

So thanks So.

886

: 00:36:29

much for coming on Jordan.

887

: 00:36:30

squadcaster-ecga_1_04-16-2024_115022:

Yeah, thank you for having me.

888

: 00:36:31

It was so fun to chat.