48: Learn How To Share Your Faith Confidently and Casually

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Today we're talking about a common

struggle that I have felt like I've had

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in the past and in many conversations

that I've had with different women,

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it is a struggle that many people face

and that is talking about your faith

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openly with the people around you.

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So if you have been hesitant in the past

to share your faith or just unsure of

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how to sharing your faith with other

people, maybe it's a coworker or.

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We're a friend or even a family member,

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then you are not alone.

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Many of us have experienced that as well.

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And I feel like many of us feel like

sharing our Catholic or Christian

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faith is difficult because it

can be a very deep and personal

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and intimate part of our lives.

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However, it doesn't have to stop there.

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It's not that it doesn't

have to be deep and personal.

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I mean, it obviously is and should be,

but a part of our faith should also

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be public and should also be able to

be shared with the people around us.

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Um, and so it's about finding that

balance of how can we share our faith?

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What do we share about our faith to be

able to share it with other people and

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evangelize or at least just be a light

in this world to the people around us,

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but maybe not have to share the super

deep parts of our lives or not have

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conversations that are, uh, maybe just

not ready for that relationship or

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uncomfortable or yeah, start anything.

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If there's people around you

that have different views, um.

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I'm not saying you shouldn't engage in

conversations like that, but you just have

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to know and discern what conversations are

appropriate for different settings, right?

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However, I feel like there is

just this misconception that you

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cannot talk about your faith in

the way that you like shouldn't

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talk about politics with everybody.

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Um, but I, I disagree because

I think, like I said, there's a

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part of our faith that should be

public, that should be shared.

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And I think there are ways that

we can talk about our faith

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in a very casual, normal way.

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Isn't awkward or weird and it really,

just depends on how we're presenting it

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and our own confidence when we speak of

doesn't have to be heavy or intimidating.

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It just has to come from a

place of confidence in you and

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the way that you're sharing it.

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And honestly, an effort to just make

it sound natural and casual, because

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that shows that you're comfortable with

your faith and comfortable with it.

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So basically what we're going to talk

about today is like how do we talk about

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our faith in the same way that we talked

about like what we did this weekend

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or we where we went out to eat today

or what is your favorite book or what

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show you're currently watching on TV?

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All those normal part of their day.

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Parts of your lives that you feel

like you share naturally with your co

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workers, your friends, your family, the

people that you just talk to regularly.

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Um, in that same way, we're going to

learn how can we talk about our faith?

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How can we incorporate it into different

conversations and talk about it casually?

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And how can we be confident in that?

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Because people are drawn to

your light and your confidence

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and your love for your faith.

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When that shines through,

I really do believe that.

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People see that they perceive

something is different about a

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Christian, a Catholic that is

truly deeply rooted in their faith.

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And there's just this joy that

radiates from within and this

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confidence and just comfortability

in where you stand in your faith.

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And so in this episode, we're going

to dive into why it can be hard to

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share our faith sometimes, and maybe

just some mindset shifts that you can

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make and some practical tools that you

can implement to be able to just be

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more at ease and more confident when

conversations around faith show up.

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Plus I'm going to walk you through how to

handle maybe tough moments that come up

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or maybe even how to answer questions that

you actually don't know the answer to.

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So grab your coffee, your tea,

your drink, and let's dive in.

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First, let's talk about why sharing

our faith and just talking about our

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faith can be so intimidating sometimes.

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I think that, in general, we tie the

faith to a really deep connection.

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Personal and intimate part of our

lives, which is true and absolutely

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there are so many aspects to the faith

that are very deep and personal and

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intimate and we may have had many

experiences or some experiences in

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our faith that That have really gotten

us through hard times in our lives.

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Or maybe we have wrestled with

big questions with the Lord.

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Maybe we have even questioned

our faith ourselves, right?

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Like we have gone through our own

fair share of just like deeply

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emotional experiences within our faith.

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And to enter into that kind of

vulnerability can feel exposing or

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scary, or maybe we have either grown

up around a community that hasn't been

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open to the faith and there are negative

emotions that are tied to talking

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about your faith in public, right?

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Maybe you have received criticism

or persecution or negativity, or

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have just received any sort of like.

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Pushback or hate for being Catholic or

Christian and being open about that.

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And so obviously if you've had

experiences like that, we can also have

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hesitations about talking about our faith.

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on top of all that, I feel like there

is just this, um, kind of in the

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back of our heads, just this fear of

judgment and persecution, even, I don't

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know about you, but I just feel like

the Catholic faith especially is so.

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Criticized and persecuted and

painted so badly in, uh, like

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our popular culture today.

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And I feel like it's just gotten

worse and worse over the years.

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Like, I don't know if it's just cause

I'm older, but I just don't feel

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like I remember in middle school or

high school, or maybe even college.

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Like I don't remember it being so okay

for Hollywood actors or, you know,

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rock stars, like musicians, artists.

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Like, or just people in the public

eye and celebrities to actively mock

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the Catholic faith specifically, or

to be outwardly so satanic and so

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opposed, right, to the Catholic faith.

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Um, and I feel like we see a lot

of that now, um, in music videos,

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we saw it in the Olympics opening

act, um, whatever it was called.

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I forget what it's called.

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The opening opening.

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What's it called?

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Opening ceremony.

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Opening ceremony.

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Um, like I said, we see it in music

videos all the time, in different movies.

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I just feel like if there's ever

like a Catholic priest or a Catholic

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church that's in a movie, it's always

like got like the creepy music in the

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background, or he's the bad guy, or

it's just like creepy, negative vibes

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that are painted around the church.

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Um, and then obviously we have, um,

Different artists that have just totally

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mocked Jesus outwardly, either dressing

as Jesus and, um, just like making a

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fool of themselves or, um, speaking

badly of the name of Jesus or even

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just like horrible sacrilegious things.

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Um, yeah, I've seen in so many music

videos, especially, and I don't feel like.

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That was as much of an openly

accepted thing or as much of a trend,

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almost in this like celebrity world.

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Um, a few years ago, like, I feel

like it's just really been happening

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maybe the past five years or so.

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And for me personally, I feel like

that is what has contributed to.

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If I ever feel on guard with sharing

my faith or if I ever feel, um, just

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more apprehensive regarded about

saying like, yeah, I'm Catholic.

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I think it's because of that.

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I think it's because I just assume

that people who aren't Catholic are.

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Viewing this like pop culture that is

so against the Catholic Church and just

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maybe hearing horrible things being

said about Catholics that are not true

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that I just kind of feel kind of, yeah,

just like a guard of just like, Hey, by

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the way, like, I'm, I'm Catholic, you

know, whatever you think of it is fine.

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Um, and.

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That's part of, I think, why I

wanted to share about this topic,

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um, as well as I feel like it just

came up a lot for me in college.

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And that's when I really put these

practical tips into practice that

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we are going to go through, um,

and talk about on this podcast.

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I started putting these into

practice and it helped me grow in

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confidence to share about my faith.

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So even now when I feel a certain

guardedness, Maybe I'm with somebody

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who's like not practicing at all

or who I feel like might have

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judging opinions about the faith.

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That still doesn't stop me.

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And I'm able to kind of practice these

things that I'm going to teach you

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guys today and kind of walk myself

through these different mindset shifts

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to be like, no, I can still talk about

this and be confident and joyful,

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um, and hopefully be attractive.

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Uh, and paint our faith in an

attractive way in this conversation.

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And a couple more things I want

to say about this is that not

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every conversation about faith has

to become this like deep sermon.

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Or even like a big theological

teaching or conversation.

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It doesn't even have to be a

sharing of like views specifically.

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And I think that's maybe one of the

reasons why, um, it can be scary

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to share about our faith because

we just immediately associate

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it with like opposing views.

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just as we would maybe be careful about

sharing politics with our coworkers.

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Um, but the reality is I really feel

strongly that we can share about

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our faith in a very casual way.

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Um, because if it is a big part of

your life, it should come up honestly.

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Like if the people who you spend a lot of

time with, whether that's your friends,

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your coworkers, or your family don't

know that you're Catholic or don't know

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What that looks like in your life, I

think there's a problem there, or there's

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really an opportunity to open a door that

Jesus is actually probably calling you

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to open, um, and to be more open about

how you live your Catholic faith, because

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evangelization doesn't just mean, um, or

look like us standing on a street corner

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with a sign saying like, Jesus, Jesus.

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wants to save you, right?

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Not that I recommend doing that ever, but

like evangelization doesn't have to be

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this like super aggressive forward thing

where you're trying to convert someone.

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Evangelization is simply sharing the

light of Christ in your own life, and that

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light and that attraction Bringing other

people in because it just, it just does.

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It's just the light of Christ.

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Like it's just, it's not even you,

you know, that's bringing someone in.

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It's just Christ shining through you.

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And how will they ever encounter Christ?

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If you never share about your faith and

how you live it out in your daily life.

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So.

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Just remember, you don't have to turn

every conversation into a debate.

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It can be a really casual thing,

just sharing about your life.

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Okay, so let's dive into a couple mindset

shifts that I want to share with you guys.

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When you feel the hesitation

or doubt of, Can I share this?

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Should I share this?

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Or I feel nervous about sharing this.

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Just kind of try and remember a few of

these pieces of advice that I have for

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you and kind of a mindset for you to

enter into as you share about your faith.

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So you can kind of just gain that

confidence and feel more comfortable

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in talking about your faith.

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So first of all, there is no shame.

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In your faith, right?

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You should not feel any shame or

embarrassment in your faith, whether

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you are Christian or Catholic or

whatever your faith is, right?

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It should be this very

important part of your life.

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And if you truly believe

it wholeheartedly.

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There's no shame around that

and don't let anybody, uh, make

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you feel shameful about that.

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And if you feel shame about that

or you feel embarrassed sharing

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about it, that is not of God.

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And that is something that I encourage

you to pray with and pray through

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and just like reject those spirits.

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You know, in the name of Jesus Christ, I

reject the spirit of shame around my faith

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and I Gosh, how do you end that prayer?

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Uh, some people end it with like,

and I demand that it gets sent

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to the foot of the cross of Jesus

Christ or something like that.

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But right.

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But we just reject those spirits

in the name of Jesus Christ.

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I reject the spirit of

embarrassment around my faith, um,

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because that's not up the Lord.

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And that is the evil one trying to

suppress you from sharing your faith or

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from feeling confident in your faith.

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And then just remember, uh, Like you can

have confidence in God, not in yourself

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when you're sharing about your faith.

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I think we put so much pressure on

ourselves sometimes about the way that

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we're going to talk about our faith

or express maybe like a teaching like

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We have so much pressure of like, Oh

my gosh, I hope I say the right thing.

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I hope I don't rub somebody the wrong way.

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But if we just really have

confidence in the Lord and that

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he is going to speak through us

and just give us the right words.

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And even if you know, you're going to have

a conversation come up soon, maybe even

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saying a prayer, like come Holy spirit.

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You know, easy come Holy Spirit in, you

know, join me in this conversation or

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allow my words to be yours, not mine

speak through me, whatever it is, invite

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the Holy Spirit, um, to be with you in

those conversations with people that you

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feel like you want If you are feeling

nervous about what you are going to say.

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Because the truth is, you know, you don't

have to be perfect in what you're saying

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about your faith and what you're sharing.

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It just has to come from the heart

and people just have to notice a

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genuine, like, authenticity about

you when you talk about your faith.

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So that leads me to my next point.

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Just be authentic because

people are attracted to that.

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People can really just pick up on

when you are genuine and joyful.

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And when you enjoy something or really

love something or are passionate

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about it, people pick up on that

and they're attracted to that.

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Just think of like, you know,

when your friend is telling you

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about how much she loved going to.

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The basketball game on Friday and how

much she loves that team or whatever.

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You're like, Oh my gosh, like

this girl loves basketball.

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Oh my gosh.

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And I literally don't know why I said

that because I don't even like sports, but

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one of my best friends loves basketball.

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So I just thought of her.

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Um, or when someone's telling you about

like what they're studying and they

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just like kind of nerd out and you

can just tell like, Oh my gosh, like

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they love what they're doing or they

love their job and they're telling

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you about their job and they're super

passionate about their job or whatever.

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People can feel your authentic energy.

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And if you truly love your

faith, act in that manner, right?

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Share it with love and joy and confidence

because people are going to pick up

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on that and that's attractive to them.

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And on the opposite front, if you act

awkward or uncomfortable or nervous

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when people ask about your faith,

or if the topic comes up, or if you

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share about it naturally and you

act kind of uncomfortable about it,

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people are going to read that too.

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And people are going to read

that negative energy surrounding

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the topic of your faith.

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So it's either going to come off as.

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Oh, they're not very confident in their

faith or they're not very practicing

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or they feel, you know, kind of an

awkwardness or an embarrassment about

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their faith, you know, or it just like

gives off this negative vibe of like,

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Oh yeah, like faith is a negative thing

when it really doesn't have to be.

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And so some examples that I want to

talk about are like, Integrating it

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into your everyday life conversation and

being able to bring it up more often.

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If you are someone that's really actively

pursuing your faith and practicing your

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faith, then there's probably several

times a day or a week that you're coming

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into contact with Some sort of faith

related activity, whether that be a

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morning offering or your daily rosary,

or you're going to mass on Sunday

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or a daily mass, or you're going to

adoration, or maybe you have a small

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group or a Bible study that you're a

part of, or you're going on retreat

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or you're reading a spiritual book.

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You know, those are a million examples.

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I just gave right there of very casual

day to day activities that as a Catholic,

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you might be doing in your daily life.

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So how do we incorporate

that into conversation?

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Easy.

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Someone's like, Hey, how's your day going?

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You know, or they're like, Hey,

what were you up to this weekend?

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They just ask about what you

did that day or that weekend.

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Incorporate your faith activity

into the conversation, right?

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Oh, yeah, on Sunday, I went to church in

the morning, and then I went to brunch,

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and then I, you know, hung out on the

couch and watched a show with my husband.

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We just chilled, right?

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It might end there.

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It might just be like, you just

share that you went to church.

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Or maybe your coworker might

be like, Oh, that's great.

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Where do you go to church?

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And then you can share, Oh my gosh,

we go to Christ the King, or St.

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Mary's, or John of the Cross,

whatever your church is called.

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Um, and then you, you kind

of have an open door there.

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If somebody asks the question,

Oh, what church do you go to?

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You have an open door.

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An open door to give more detail.

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Oh, we go to St.

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Mary's.

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Yeah.

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We love it there.

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We've been going, you know, for

X amount of years, we usually go

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to the 8am morning mass and the

priest there actually is so good.

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His homilies are always super

informative or super inspirational,

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or you can be like, yeah, we just,

I love the music at the 5pm mass.

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And so that's why we go in the

evenings and whatever it is that

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open door allows you to share just

a little bit more information.

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About how you're practicing your faith.

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And you can see that in that example,

I just gave, I just shared about like,

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what are the things you love about your

church and why you go to that church?

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Those are all positive things

that are now associated with

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your faith and with that church.

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And you're just sharing a little bit of

the beauty of your faith and a little

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bit of the beauty of the Catholic faith.

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Another thing could be like sharing

your small group or Bible study.

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And possibly allowing that to lead to an

invitation at some point if you feel like

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that comes up naturally or God is like

tugging on your heart to invite someone.

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So I just remember when I was in college,

sometimes I would feel weird about

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sharing that I was going to Bible study.

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And when people asked me like,

Oh, what are you doing tonight?

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Or like, Hey, do you want to go do this?

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And I had Bible study.

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I remember kind of feeling like,

Oh, I'm, you know, I'm going to,

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and I would kind of pause and I'd be

like, I can't really lie about it.

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Or I'd be like, Oh, I'm just

going to the thing tonight.

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Or, you know, and so, or sometimes

I'd be like, Oh yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm

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kind of like going to this Bible study

thing or this like small group thing.

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And if I said it awkwardly,

it was received awkwardly.

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It was like, Oh, Okay, nice.

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You know, or like, what, what

do you mean like smog or like,

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what are you talking about?

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Or like, what's your thing?

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Like the more elusive you were about

it, it was kind of like, it was awkward.

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And when I just challenged myself to be

confident about sharing that part of my

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life, The reaction was so much different.

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A lot of the times, I promise it was like,

Oh yeah, I'm going to Bible study tonight.

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I have a Bible study every

Tuesday or something.

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People would be like, Oh, cool.

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Who, like, where's that Bible study?

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You know, like, do you lead it?

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Are you part of it?

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Like they would ask questions

like, Oh, that's awesome.

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I've always wanted to be in a Bible study.

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Or people were like, Ooh, I've

never been in a Bible study.

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Or, you know, like it just like

opened the door for conversation.

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And so one thing I always Um, and so

what I would recommend is at first you

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just have to fake it till you make it.

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And that's the truth.

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You just literally have to make yourself

not awkward and make yourself speak

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in a confident manner even if you feel

uncomfortable until you don't feel

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uncomfortable because the more you do

it, the more comfortable you will feel

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and just have the mindset of this is

just like any other part of my life.

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In fact, it's more important,

but it can be shared just

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like I shared about my life.

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How I went to Chipotle for lunch.

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Like I don't think twice about sharing

where I went to lunch or What I did over

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the weekend or you know anything like

what movie I saw I share about it casually

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and I don't think oh My gosh, what if

they like Qdoba more than Chipotle?

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This is gonna be awkward now we have

differing opinions, you know, if you're

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like someone's not a denominational

Christian and I'm Catholic or Someone's

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Jewish and I'm Catholic like It's

going to be so weird if I said, I

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went to mass or I love my church.

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No, it's not.

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It's just part of who you are.

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And I mean, nobody, nobody should be

making you feel bad for who you are.

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Right.

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And I really highly doubt, especially if

the way you're bringing it up is just a

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casual conversation that any Friction is

going to arise in the conversation and so

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just as you shared, you know, I went to

Qdoba for or Chipotle for lunch Maybe your

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friend is like, uh, I like Qdoba so much

better and you're just like, okay, great.

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That's fine We can move on.

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You can also share like yeah, I also went

to Bible study on Wednesday and Maybe they

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have their own thoughts about Bible study.

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I highly doubt they're going to

share those with you in that moment.

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They're probably gonna be like, Oh, nice.

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Um, and then you can move on and you

can just continue to share about your

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day, but you were able to share kind

of a little positive moment about

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your faith life and just kind of

Share an example of how you're living

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your faith life out in your life.

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Two more things that I want to share about

when entering into this mindset of I'm

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going to share my faith with confidence.

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One, approach these conversations

about faith as an invitation

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and not an argument.

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This might apply more if you're

having a more in depth conversation

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with somebody about the faith or if

you mentioning, you know, Oh yeah, I

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pray the rosary every day, or I'm in

a Bible study where I went to mass.

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Those casual things, if that opens the

door to maybe a longer conversation

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or, um, yeah, more of a dialogue

about your faith, approach it as

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an invitation, not an argument.

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And don't assume people have negative

opinions or thoughts about your faith

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because approaching as an invitation

will allow you to kind of let that

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guard down and not be on the defense.

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And in fact, be more comfortable and

open and actually eager to share more.

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And if a dialogue does open or if

whoever you're speaking to does ask more

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questions about your faith, I want you to

remember that your job is to plant seeds.

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It's not to convince the other

person, um, especially not in

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initial conversations you're having.

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Because you're not necessarily trying

to, you know, the purpose of these

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conversations or the purpose of you

talking about your faith isn't solely

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to win someone over and that's really

not the purpose most of the time.

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Like, you're not trying to

like win somebody over or

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convert somebody on the spot.

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You're just trying to be an authentic

example of Christ and be an authentic,

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um, just to like show the light of God.

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Christ in your life and just how your

life is so much more joyful and bright

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and beautiful and made better because

of your faith and because of Jesus.

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And that's what's going to be contagious.

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Not you saying the perfect thing or

trying to convince them of anything.

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So I feel like I'm going back and

forth here between my practical

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tips and mindset shift advice.

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So we're just going to

keep going back and forth.

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Some more tips that I have for you.

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Number one, share stories, not sermons.

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So Um, in the right moments with a close

friend that's asking more, that might

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be an appropriate time to really kind

of like preach your heart out and be

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like, this is what the Lord wants of you.

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And this is what he's taught

us and all this amazing stuff.

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But people generally aren't ready

to hear all of those big truths.

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Um, and so.

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In fact, people are actually

just more attracted to how

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the faith impacts your life.

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So sharing stories about your life and

how the faith has impacted you or how you

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live it out is going to be more attractive

and open a more natural conversation.

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: 00:25:13

And again, it can be really casual and

depending on the conversation you're

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having or the level of relationship

you have with the person you're talking

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to, you can share more, but it can

really be as simple as, you know, I was

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really feeling really anxious yesterday

because of X, Y, Z, or you don't have

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to share why, But I was really feeling

anxious and so I prayed a rosary and

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it actually brought me so much peace

and just made me feel so much better.

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That right there is just simple.

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It's authentic.

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It's relatable.

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We all feel anxiety

about different things.

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We all get nervous about different

things and we all try and find

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different ways to cope with that.

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And so just by sharing that, it's

such a natural and authentic way

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to just share how your faith is.

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served you and how your faith

blessed you in a moment of need.

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And what that does is it just opens

naturally a door and the conversation

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and plants a little seed, right?

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If the other person doesn't really have

faith, or maybe was Catholic and fell

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away, or maybe is Catholic, but is trying

to practice their faith more, but doesn't

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know how it plants a little seed of.

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Oh, didn't know Mari prayed the rosary

when she felt nervous, you know, or I

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didn't know she prayed the rosary at all.

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: 00:26:19

It seems like she does that

when she feels anxious.

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Like, maybe I should do that next time.

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Or like, I wonder what that's like.

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I wonder if that helps, you know, it seems

like it seems like it really helped her.

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So those are the just, That's

the kind of, um, just natural

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ways that you can weave it into a

conversation or share stories, right?

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You can share a story about the

homily on Sunday and why that stood

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out to you and how you've been

pondering that throughout the week

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or an activity that you did at Bible

Study that you thought was super fun.

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Or how meeting weekly with your small

group is super helpful for you to find

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community in the faith or to, yeah, just

connect with other women who are striving

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for the same things or have those shared

beliefs and can walk with you in your

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journey of the faith, Those just are

different ways that you can share how

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the faith is blessing you and your life

and be a light to the people around you.

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And those are just casual comments that

don't feel forced or don't feel negative

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or don't feel like too dangerous or

too, too sensitive of a topic to touch.

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And then two, I think it's

good to ask questions yourself.

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If you feel like a dialogue is opening

up or the person you're talking

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to shows a little bit of interest,

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that is an open door for then

you to continue the dialogue

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and maybe ask a question.

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You can ask in return, yeah,

what church do you go to?

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Or what do you do when you feel anxious?

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Do you have anything that helps you?

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Or did you grow up in a faith at all?

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You know, do you practice a faith?

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: 00:27:45

And just kind of, again, ask it.

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Casually and ask it in a really normal

way, as if you were asking like,

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where did you eat for lunch today?

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Um, and obviously there is a certain level

of respect that has to come about the

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conversation when you're talking about

your faith, but don't be weird or awkward

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when you're asking about the faith.

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Don't be like, Oh yeah, sorry.

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Are you Christian?

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You know, like that's kind

of a weird way to ask it.

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: 00:28:10

And in turn, someone's going to

feel weird and feel like, Oh, this

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is no topic we can talk about.

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But the more comfortable you are when

you talk, and when you ask a question,

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the more comfortable the person you're

talking to is going to feel and the more

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comfortable the dialogue it's going to be.

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Next, I would say practice, maybe a

little elevator pitch, like just maybe

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a one liner or a one sentence of how

your faith has impacted you or the fact

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that you're Catholic or Christian and

why, you know, just maybe like a one

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liner that you feel like you can pull

in conversations when someone asks

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you like, Oh, I didn't know you were

Catholic or, Oh, I didn't know you went

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: 00:28:46

to church or whatever that you can share.

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Just kind of have that stamp of

joy and confidence come across

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when talking about your faith.

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For example, you can just be like,

yeah, actually I grew up Catholic, but

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it wasn't a really big part of my life

until, you know, my later college years.

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: 00:29:04

And then I really felt like I took

the faith on as my own and my life

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has been totally different ever since.

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: 00:29:11

Um, it's just really kind of

like the foundation of my life.

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And I've just found so much joy and

peace and confidence in living this way.

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So my faith is super important to me.

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Took like 30 seconds.

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: 00:29:21

It told a little bit of a story.

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: 00:29:23

It gave people an insight as to why you

practice your faith and where you're

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at in your faith and just the way that

it's benefiting and blessing your life.

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And if said with confidence, it's

going to come across that way and it's

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going to open the door for dialogue.

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: 00:29:38

And if you're able to dive more into your

story and if somebody asks questions,

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Don't be afraid of vulnerability.

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: 00:29:47

You don't have to include

really difficult details.

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If that's part of your story or really

personal details that you're not ready to

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: 00:29:54

share, but sharing how your faith got you

through some of your toughest times, or

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: 00:30:00

maybe how it took hitting a rock bottom.

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: 00:30:02

bottom moment to finally realize

that you, you know, had lost

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: 00:30:06

your faith and wanted to go back.

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: 00:30:08

Like those moments are really powerful

and sharing from the heart and sharing

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from our brokenness is really relatable.

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And this could be me just

inferring or assuming, but we

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: 00:30:21

all have brokenness, right?

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And I think that a lot of people that

don't have faith perceive Christians.

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to maybe be judgmental about

that brokenness or their past

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: 00:30:35

or their sinfulness or, you

know, how they live their lives.

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: 00:30:39

And when you're able to be vulnerable and

share, like, yeah, my life isn't perfect.

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: 00:30:44

My faith hasn't been perfect.

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: 00:30:45

You know, when I share with people,

like, yeah, I did not live a of Christ

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: 00:30:48

in College, and it took a really, you

know, rock bottom night to realize that

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I was not on the path God wanted me to.

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: 00:30:56

When I share that, I feel like there's

just a guard that has come down from the

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: 00:31:01

person I'm talking to because then they

realize, Oh, Oh, I can relate to that.

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: 00:31:05

Like, I am, I've not lived a perfect life

and, you know, clearly she hasn't either.

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: 00:31:09

Like she has experience in that,

but then they can kind of see

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: 00:31:12

like, wow, but like, look how

important the faith is to her now.

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: 00:31:15

Look how much she practices her faith now.

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: 00:31:17

Like, I wonder how she got there.

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: 00:31:19

You know, I wonder what that shift

was, but just sharing invulnerability,

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: 00:31:24

um, Parts of your story, parts of

your brokenness can really just allow

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: 00:31:29

people's walls to come down to feel

like they can relate and then kind of

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: 00:31:32

have more trust in that conversation.

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: 00:31:34

And just be ready for questions.

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: 00:31:37

I think this is one of the

things that really pushed me

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: 00:31:40

to learn more about my faith.

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: 00:31:42

In high school, I was friends with a

lot of Mormon friends and, um, I think

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: 00:31:47

I was just so attracted to them because

they lived really, really good lives.

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: 00:31:50

They're really good people and had

really amazing standards, especially

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: 00:31:54

for high schoolers where people just

want to fit in and it's hard to say no.

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: 00:31:59

And everybody just wants to

do what everybody's doing.

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: 00:32:02

These friends that I had were

really inspiring to me because they

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: 00:32:05

lived really amazing moral lives.

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: 00:32:06

And for some reason I was just

really attracted to that even in high

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: 00:32:10

school and really impressed by them.

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: 00:32:12

And so I would hang out with them a lot.

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: 00:32:13

Um, but they would ask

me a lot of questions.

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: 00:32:15

They would be like, Oh, Why do you

say the words in the Our Father?

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: 00:32:19

Or what is, what are

the words of the creed?

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: 00:32:20

And why do you say those?

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: 00:32:22

And what do they mean?

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: 00:32:23

And what does the church teach about Mary?

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: 00:32:25

And, you know, if you don't worship

Mary, what does it look like then?

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: 00:32:29

And what do you do in your mass?

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: 00:32:30

And why did they do that in the mass?

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: 00:32:32

And why do you stand up?

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: 00:32:33

And why do you kneel down?

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: 00:32:34

All these questions, right?

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: 00:32:35

And I began to realize, oh my gosh, I grew

up Catholic and went to Sunday school.

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: 00:32:40

And yet I don't know how

to answer these questions.

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: 00:32:43

And that could be a whole other

podcast episode in itself about.

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: 00:32:46

Making sure that our church is

catechized well, um, which so many

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: 00:32:51

of us are not catechized well.

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: 00:32:53

Um, but that pushed me

to learn about my faith.

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: 00:32:58

And I started listening to talks,

listening to Father Mike Schmidt's videos

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: 00:33:02

on YouTube, um, reading different books

and trying to learn more about my faith.

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: 00:33:09

my faith.

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: 00:33:09

I started reading different parts of the

catechism, reading the Bible more, just

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: 00:33:14

to really understand, like, why do we

do these things in the Catholic faith?

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: 00:33:18

And it strengthened my faith, and it

strengthened my belief in the Catholic

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: 00:33:22

Church as the one true church, because

I found an answer to everything.

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: 00:33:26

Because nothing is done just because.

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: 00:33:28

Everything stems from scripture or

tradition, and There is richness

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: 00:33:35

and meaning behind all of the

ways that we practice our faith.

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: 00:33:39

And so when I was able to learn that,

and then I was able to share that with

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: 00:33:44

friends whenever they asked and sharing

confidently what I had learned made

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them more confident in my faith, right?

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And made them respect me.

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And so this is an encouragement

to you to actively seek out

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more knowledge in your faith.

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Trust me, you are never going

to run out of things to learn.

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There is so much written about our

faith from saints in the catechism,

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um, different, you know, popes and

bishops and encyclicals and everything

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in the past, um, you know, that

has been written about our faith.

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So there's always more to learn and

that gives you just like So much more

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authority to be able to share as well.

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Now, I also just want to say, don't

be afraid to say that you don't

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know the answer to that question.

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It is better to say that than to kind

of try and make up a shifty answer that

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you're like, I don't know if that's true

or I don't know if I'm saying it right.

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Because you're probably not

going to come across confident.

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You're probably going to come across

like you don't know your faith.

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Um, and it's actually, I think

more respectable to be like,

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That's a really good question.

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I actually don't know if

I know the answer, but let

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me get back to you on that.

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I'm going to look into that.

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Cause I, I'm, I'm interested in

knowing what the answer to that is too.

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And so by just admitting like, Hey,

I actually don't think I know the

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answer to that, but I want to find

out, I'm going to get back to you.

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That's more respectable.

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And you can now come back to the

conversation at a later time with the

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answer and open the conversation back up.

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You can go do your homework.

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Learn about whatever they had asked about

or what you didn't fully understand about

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your faith and come back and share what

you found and continue the conversation,

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I think just one of the biggest things

I want y'all to walk away with is that

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sharing your faith brings glory to God

and sharing the ways that he is working

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in your life brings glory to God.

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And.

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Even sharing little God moments,

right, of how God's working in your

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life, little God winks, coincidences,

or signs that you see, ways that you

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feel like God is showing up in your

life, sharing those with your friends

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around you, um, especially, yeah,

even people who are Christian, right?

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You should still be talking about

your faith with people who share

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the faith and that's so encouraging.

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To share, yeah, to share those different

moments, um, brings glory to God because

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it shows how God is bringing joy into

your life, how he is blessing your

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life, how he is bringing peace into your

life, how he is helping you overcome

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anxiety or fear, um, or whatever it

is that you're going through brings

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so much glory and honor to the Lord.

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And that not only just honors God,

but I think just sparks inspiration

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in other people, sparks intrigue in

other people, and even just allows

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people to admire you for your faith

and just how, yeah, your faith and

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your trust and your belief in God.

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And, you know, lastly, I also just want to

say, if you feel awkward, if you mess up,

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if you say the wrong thing, or if you walk

away from a conversation thinking, Oh my

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gosh, that could have gone so much better.

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Have grace with yourself.

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It's okay.

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Right?

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Like you get better at it.

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The more that you do it and the more

you talk about your faith, the more

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comfortable you're going to feel.

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Like I said, at first,

fake it till you make it.

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You might not feel super confident at

first, but just fake it till you make it.

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You will get there.

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And if you have some

awkward moments, rub it off.

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It's okay.

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Don't worry about it.

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Um, I remember just last spring, I

think I was at one of my favorite coffee

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shops and it is a Christian coffee shop.

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And I was wearing my West coast Catholic.

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See you in the Eucharist crew neck.

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So it says, see you in the, uh, And

then there's a little Eucharist symbol.

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It's like a circle with a cross

in the middle, so it doesn't

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actually spell Eucharist.

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It just shows the Eucharist symbol.

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And I went up to pay for my coffee

and the guy's like, Ooh, see you

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in the circle with the cross.

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What does that mean?

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And I was like, Oh, I don't want

to talk about this right now.

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: 00:37:45

I just like need to grab

my coffee and go to work.

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Like, I don't, I just like, didn't

want to enter the conversation.

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: 00:37:50

I was like, Oh yeah, it's

just, it's a Catholic thing.

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: 00:37:53

And, and he was like, And then I

kind of just brushed it off and I

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was like, Oh, how much do I owe you?

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: 00:37:58

You know, I like, I changed the

conversation and then he pressed on.

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: 00:38:01

He was like, cool.

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: 00:38:02

What does it mean?

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: 00:38:02

Like, what's the Catholic thing?

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: 00:38:04

Like he like asked me more about it.

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: 00:38:05

And I was like, all right, Jesus, this

is you opening the door right here.

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Like, no, I have to talk about it.

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And so then I proceeded to share about.

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As Catholics, we believe that the

Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ,

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and it's the source and summit of our

faith, and there's this belief that,

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you know, we all make up the body of

Christ, and when we go receive him in the

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Eucharist, we're all united to the body

of Christ, and, you know, all that stuff.

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: 00:38:30

And so I'm sharing this with him,

and he actually was like, wow.

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That's super cool.

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Thanks for sharing that.

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And I walked away and I was just

like, why did I make that so much

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more awkward than it needed to be?

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: 00:38:40

Like, why did I try and brush it off?

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: 00:38:41

I'm sure by brushing it off and being

like, Oh yeah, it's a Catholic thing.

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: 00:38:44

It's just kind of like came off

as, Oh, I don't know how to talk

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: 00:38:47

about this as weird question.

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Don't ask me, you know, but he was

interested and I'm glad he asked again.

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And I am glad that I got to share about

that beautiful truth of our faith.

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Um, but that's all just to say you might

have some awkward moments and that's okay.

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Have grace with yourself, brush it off.

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And keep going and try again.

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: 00:39:05

I hope that this was

all very helpful to you.

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I know that I've had this conversation

in person with several friends

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and the girls that I used to walk

with when I was a missionary.

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And I felt like it was about time

to chat about it on the podcast.

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: 00:39:18

It had been on my like topics,

brainstorm list for a long time.

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And didn't feel like the right time, but

today as I was recording, I'm like, this

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is totally what we need to talk about.

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So hope that was the Holy Spirit.

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I hope that this is helpful to you

and your life and that you got a

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lot of practical tips out of it.

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And if there are any topics that you

were like, I want Mari to talk about

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this so bad on the podcast or that you

have a lot of questions about, please DM

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me, whether it's on my podcast Instagram

at ever be podcast or on my podcast at

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Personal blog at Mari dot C dot Wagner.

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I read as many of those as I can.

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And I love when I get podcast,

uh, topic suggestions, because

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obviously I'm here to serve you.

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I want to walk with you.

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And if there's something that you're

really struggling in or that you have

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: 00:40:05

questions on, I want to know, and I

would love to create content on that.

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So if there's anything on your

mind, send me a message and

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we'll see you all next week.